Fashion! with Liz Wilner and Oriella Charik (Unedited)

Nyx Malaspina: Shall it run over an hour, do you think? If so, I will have to creep quietly out a trifle early.
Liz Wilner: It might, Nyx
Liz Wilner: but not by much I hope 🙂
Nyx Malaspina: Of course, the other engagement…may just have to wait. 😉
Liz Wilner: 😉
Ceejay Writer: If you need to skeedaddle, I will be posting the full transcript at the website, so you could catch up!
Liz Wilner: Hello, Ceejay 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Hi Liz! Good to see you!
Oriella Charik tries not to dip her veil in chocolate
Ceejay Writer: Ah, veils. I’ve struggled with such.
Nyx Malaspina: Ceejay!, always a pleasure to see you.
Liz Wilner: can you see the slide show ? or should we move it a little higher?
Ceejay Writer: I can see it just fine! And HI NYX!
Nyx Malaspina: Chocolate dipped veils are just the thing at court or so I hear.
Liz Wilner: Hello, Sophie 🙂
Sophie Cloud: Hello 🙂
Ceejay Writer: I am going to be weird today and stand up. I adore this outfit, but it’s a flexy skirt, and I don’t want to look noobish.
Liz Wilner: lol
Liz Wilner: you could never look noobish!
Oriella Charik: I am SO not sitting in this one
Ceejay Writer: Pfffft, I’m actually pretty good at it.
Ceejay Writer: I am 0% mesh!
Nyx Malaspina: could you not lean elegantly against the books….it would suit.
Nyx Malaspina: that was a suggestion, not a reprimand.
Nyx Malaspina: Ceejay amongst the books is fitting.
Oriella Charik: No Mesh here – this dress is too old to be mesh
Ceejay Writer: Hee. Okay, pretend I am leaning. And I’m still in the magic circle, so should be good.
Ceejay Writer: I have some mesh clothing and love it, but I cannot let go of this outfit, or other beloved older things.
Nyx Malaspina: I feel the same regarding most everything Cutea ever made.
Ceejay Writer: Ahhhh, yes! My collection of Cutea’s shoes is vast!
Liz Wilner: Hello, Jimmy! 🙂
Jimmy Branagh: ‘ello awl
Jimmy Branagh waves
Ceejay Writer: Hoy Jimmy!
Nyx Malaspina: La! Tis Jimmy.
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Miss Ceejay!
Ceejay Writer: This place gets classier by the minute!
Liz Wilner: Will the Baron be attending?
Jimmy Branagh: Oy come ta see awl th’ well dressed ladies.
Liz Wilner: Hello, Epemeria 🙂
Ceejay Writer: I’m not sure about the Baron.
Sophie Cloud: Why, Mr Jimmy, you do flatter us! 🙂
Ephemeria: Good evening Liz 🙂
Ephemeria: Evening everybody
Ceejay Writer: I’m saving the chatlog, so that part is handled. Maybe Jimmy could be a Fine Young Gentlemen and take care of the niceties?
Ceejay Writer: Evening!
Liz Wilner: Hello, Cassie 🙂
Nyx Malaspina: But look, Jimmy has also been to the Habedashery
Jimmy Branagh: Not at awl. Th’ Steamlands produce th’ best lookin’ women anywheres
Ceejay Writer: Cassie! Sister!
Jimmy Branagh: Niceties?
Ceejay Writer: Jimmy! You do go on.
Liz Wilner: Hello, Tamlorn 🙂
Ceejay Writer: No, please, go on.
Liz Wilner: yes…you wwere saying, jimmy?
Liz Wilner: lol
Jimmy Branagh: Let’s wait just a few for the bar refugees
Nyx Malaspina: Bring this young man a plate of macaron and sum punch. Such a sweet boy.
Jimmy Branagh: ‘ello Laird Tamlorn
Ceejay Writer: Ooooh. Macarons. filches one
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Greetinsg to all
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Hello Jimmy!
Liz Wilner: Hello, Olde 🙂
Liz Wilner: Hello, Mary 🙂
Cassie Eldemar: hi Liz and Ori 🙂
Sophie Cloud settles in with a large mug of coffee, “Hello, everyone”
Nyx Malaspina: ah, the gentleman are arriving. Now we shall see some well shaped calves. 😉
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy those who still be clouds
Liz Wilner: Hello, Panza and Bain 🙂
Liz Wilner: and Lukas 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Rowr! Calves!
Lukas McKenzie: hello Miss Wilner 🙂
Bain Finch: hello everyone
Panza Finch: Hullo Liz.
Jimmy Branagh: ‘ello incoming
Lukas McKenzie: Hello everyone 🙂
Liz Wilner: Hello, Harperlass 🙂
Liz Wilner: Hello, Wild 🙂
Wildstar Beaumont: hello !
Wildstar Beaumont: 🙂
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Admiral
Mary Layton: Hi Liz 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Ahoy, Admiral!
Lukas McKenzie: relog
Lukas McKenzie: Be right back
Ceejay Writer: This is SUCH a nicely dressed room!
Liz Wilner: Hello, Magda 🙂
Oriella Charik: A room with bustle
Jimmy Branagh: Alroight then, Oy dun see th’ usual donation floater so’s don;t know wot to say about that.
Panza Finch is so excited about ascot season
Bain Finch: wb Lukas
Harperlass: Bustling with activity and excitement
Ceejay Writer: Tips could be paid directly to the speakers perhaps?
Jimmy Branagh: Nor do Oy see the speaker tip jar so pay them direct. There’s two of em!
Panza Finch: Rather racy couple seating, love.
Panza Finch: giggles
Liz Wilner: Hello, Tinus 🙂
Magda Kamenev gives Master Branagh a look.
Panza Finch: Oh, I like this.
Bain Finch: we\ll snuggle
Tinus Koskinen waves at everyone. “Hey Liz, a pleasure.”
Panza Finch: mmmmmmmmm.
Jimmy Branagh: Oy don;t usually do introductions but here goes
Ceejay Writer: Hi Tinus!
Nyx Malaspina: There are some empty chairs up front and one by me, do not be shy.
Tinus Koskinen bows to Ceejay, “it is good to see you again darling.”
Ceejay Writer blushes furiously. “And you too!”
OldeSoul Eldemar: hello everyone!!
Nyx Malaspina: and the books are an xlnt place to lounge, I hear. 😉
Jimmy Branagh: Everyone knows our speakers Miss Liz Wilner an; Miss Ori Charik. They’ve been aroun’ forever. Today they’re gonna talk about fashinable things loike fashion over the last couple centuries.
Ceejay Writer lounges
Magda Kamenev waves to Ceejay and steals her dress.
Liz Wilner: Greetings everyone…thank you so much for coming 🙂
Lukas McKenzie: Miss Wilner is not that old ρƒƒƒƒt :p
Ceejay Writer: EEEK! Me bloomers! Magda!
Liz Wilner: Today, we will be focusing on high fashion during the decades between 1700 CE up through the Edwardian times. Over the centuries, royal courts, and the aristocracy and nobles, fashion trends emerged signaling position and wealth, as well as in many cases, a decided “look” of a people.
Liz Wilner: No one has been more important to the history of power dressing than French King Louis XIV (1638-1715). He made the court of Versailles the most glamorous in Europe.
Jimmy Branagh wave to OldeSoul and Titus
Liz Wilner: In the presence of the king, men were required to wear a habit habillé, which was an extravagant coat, made from velvet or silk. Similarly, women wore a grand habit de cour, which was an embroidered gown displaying their bare shoulders.
Liz Wilner: Louis XIV ensured that Versailles had the strictest dress etiquette of any royal court in Europe, including requiring that even visiting nobles appear in only the latest fashion. Louis also required different manners of dress for different functions, such as day wear, sleepwear, formalwear for specific occasions, such as a dinner, ball, or for Court.
Magda Kamenev boos the Sun King.
Tinus Koskinen smiles and waves back.
Liz Wilner: Fashion in the 1700–1720s in European and European-influenced countries was characterized by a widening silhouette for women and was distinguished and stiff.
Harperlass: it was strategy…it keeps the nobles too poor and in debt to make trouble
Liz Wilner: Over the tight corset a gown was worn with a square neckline bodice decorated with lace. The tight three-quarter sleeves had strips of lace, the skirt was conical, the underskirt had horizontal strips and the overcoat was turned backwards, with a reinforcement on the lower back and with a drag.
Nyx Malaspina: shoots side eye at the peasants in the room
Katie: looks innocent
Liz Wilner: By the mid to late 1700’s women’s formal dress began to change shape. The petticoat was still very wide but now with sloping sides and worn over a fan shaped hoop
Ceejay Writer whistles
Liz Wilner: Similar to what I am wearing 🙂
Liz Wilner: For men, the fronts of coats started to curve back and the side pleats were less voluminous, waistcoats had shortened to mid-thigh length. The collar seen on day wear was still absent in evening dress.
Liz Wilner: In 1740, the silhouette of the dresses was transformed. The baskets grew around the hips, the skirts starting to look like boxes. Just before this fad disappeared, the width of dresses could reach four meters. The gown, in particular the stomacher, were elaborately decorated with a braid of various silks which was very popular from the 1750s to the 1770s
Nyx Malaspina: doorways were always a difficulty in those days
Ceejay Writer: No doubt!
Liz Wilner: In the early decades of the new century, formal dress consisted of the stiff-bodiced mantua. A closed petticoat, sometimes worn with an apron, replaced the open draped mantua skirt of the previous period. This formal style then in turn gave way to more relaxed fashions.
Harperlass: its why gentlemen open door for ladies we can’t reach
Bain Finch: just living would be hard wear those
Jimmy Branagh: Also Oy bet a personal matter Oy will not address in mixed company
Liz Wilner: The robe à la française or sack-back gown was looser-fitting and a welcome change for women used to wearing bodices. At its most informal, this gown was unfitted both front and back and called a sacque.
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: I love the 1780s
Nyx Malaspina: La!
Liz Wilner: This brought a shift away from heavy fabrics such as satin or velvet to Indian cotton, silks, and damasks, often made in lighter pastel shades that gave off a warm, graceful, and childlike appearance.
Nyx Malaspina: moi asi
Liz Wilner: Later for formal wear the front was fitted to the body by means of a tightly laced underbodice while the back fell in loose style of dress.
Harperlass: lol Jimmy it can be managed…I once wore hoops in a bathroom stall without mishap
Liz Wilner: Moving into the early 19th century, we arrive at the Regency period, named after the King’s heir Prince George, who ruled during his father’s periodic bouts of madness. One of the Prince’s friends became the “father” of proper men’s fashions: George Bryan “Beau” Brummel (1178 -1840). (050 Brummel portrait)
Jimmy Branagh: Hmm … Oy still need a subjest fir my talk next month …
Liz Wilner: Before Brummell’s innovations, men’s clothes were more flamboyant, heavily influenced by the French court and involved wearing wigs, white hair powder, perfume, elaborate silks, and knee breeches with stockings. Brummell replaced this with natural, unadorned hair, long trousers worn with boots, and plainer coats.
Liz Wilner: Specifically, his uniform was a blue coat (known as Bath coating) with a buff waistcoat, off-white linen shirt with a white cravat, buckskin trousers, and dark riding boots.
Liz Wilner: For evening, he wore a blue coat as well, though with a white waistcoat, black pants that ended at the ankle, striped silk socks and black slippers. He replaced the reliance on perfumes and powders for personal hygiene with the concept of a daily bath.
Harperlass: YAY
Liz Wilner: Brummell’s genius was not that he invented the elements of his dress from scratch but rather that brought together various inspirations and made of them a coherent whole. The cravat worn high on the neck was something being done in post-Revolutionary France, so that influence never went away, and the streamlined silhouette and muted colors of the new look were supposed to recreate, in clothed form, male nude statuary from Classical Greece.
Lukas McKenzie: me people didnt bath back then ? 🙂
Liz Wilner: In later generations, Brummell’s look would evolve into the suit and tie but, more directly, into the sport coat and pants combination, since he preferred not to match his coat with his trousers. The emphasis on neckwear as the ornamental center of attention in a tailored outfit remains via the necktie or bow tie.
Liz Wilner: Brummell’s choice of contrasting black and white as he changed from day into evening wear remains the black-tie dress code today. Yet it is perhaps formal morning dress, particularly a morning coat and separate colored trousers with a light-colored vest, that most closely evokes the Regency attire Brummell actually wore.
Liz Wilner: Ladies’ clothing styles of the early 1800s are characterized by the Empire waist dress and classical Greek lines; the styles worn by characters in Jane Austen novels
Liz Wilner: The Empire style dress has a high waist, a style that appeared in the late 1790s and has reappeared frequently in women’s clothing design for the past 200 years.
Liz Wilner: . It was significant in that women did not need to wear the stiff, restrictive corsets that ruled fashion from the Middle Ages, and except for this brief time, until the 20th century.
Katie: sighs contentedly
Liz Wilner: The Empire styles were made of a soft, lightweight fabric gathered just under the breasts, featuring a low square neckline, and small, short, puffed sleeves with a low shoulder line, with short sleeves worn for evening, or dancing.
Ceejay Writer: I wore empire style dresses in high school! (Not saying when)
Liz Wilner: Toward the end of the era, dancing dresses featured higher hemlines that rose several inches above the ankle. Day dresses had a higher neckline and long sleeves.
Sophie Cloud: lol, I know the year… self-confessing 🙂
Ceejay Writer: winks
Liz Wilner: While Britain and France were at war, styles in the two countries varied. Women did not know what the enemy was wearing, so each country developed their own look.
Liz Wilner: Around 1811, a Gothic influence appeared in Britain. Based on garments worn during medieval times, dresses lost the pure classical Greek lines. The bodice developed more shape and shoulder seams widened for comfort. (Low shoulder lines can restrict arm movement)
Liz Wilner: Ruffles appeared on the bodice recalling an Elizabethan style and skirts were embellished with flounces and padding.
Liz Wilner: In England, the waist level lowered to a relatively normal line.
Liz Wilner: During the war, French waists remained high. Hemlines evolved into an A-line or bell shape. In 1815, after the wars, waistlines in Britain rose again as the English started to follow French fashion. The French copied the British Gothic styles and after 1820, waists lowered and were accentuated with a sash.
Liz Wilner: Early 19th century men’s fashions had also undergone a radical change. The coat still finished in long tails at the back but was cut higher in front. The waist-length square-cut waistcoat showed beneath it. The lining of the shoulders and upper chest of the coat was sometimes quilted to improve the fit. Some men, or dandies, wore boned corsets to give them a small waist.
Liz Wilner: Gradually men adopted long trousers rather than knee breeches
Liz Wilner: Trousers became increasingly fashionable in the first quarter of the 19th century. At first, they were only worn for day and informal dress but by the 1820s they were acceptable for evening wear. Breeches continued to be worn at court.
Liz Wilner: The tall hat from the late 18th century was still worn and developed into the top hat which was worn for day and formal dress throughout the 19th century.
Liz Wilner: During the second half of the 19th century men retained the white waistcoat and black tailcoat and trousers of the early 19th century for evening wear.
Liz Wilner: In 1837, Queen Victoria came to the English throne, and became the ultimate in fashion determination for decades to come. For instance, Victoria was the first to wear white for her wedding dress.
Liz Wilner: The ideal shape of the Victorian woman was a long slim torso emphasized by wide hips. Corsets were tightly laced and extended over the abdomen and down towards the hips. A chemise was commonly worn under the corset, and cut relatively low in order to prevent exposure.
Nyx Malaspina: I prefer cloth of gold, myself.
Liz Wilner: Over the corset, was the tight-fitting bodice featuring a low waistline. Along with the bodice was a long skirt, featuring layers of horsehair petticoats] worn underneath to create fullness; while placing emphasis on the small waist. To contrast the narrow waist, low and straight necklines were used.
Liz Wilner: By the late 1840’s through 1860’s, women’s skirts became broader.
Liz Wilner: In 1856, skirts expanded more, creating a dome shape, due to the invention of the first metal cage crinoline. The purpose of the crinoline was to create an artificial hourglass silhouette by accentuating the hips, giving an illusion of a small waist, along with the corset
Liz Wilner: By the 1870’s, skirts began to become less voluminous. Bodices remained at the natural waistline, necklines varied, while sleeves began under the shoulder line.
Liz Wilner: An overskirt was commonly worn over the bodice, secured into a large bow behind. Over time, the overskirt shortened into a detached closely fitted bodice or jacket extending past the waistline over the hips, resulting in an elongation of the bodice over the hips.
Liz Wilner: As bodices elongated in 1873, the bustle was introduced into the Victorian dress styles.
Liz Wilner: Lady Charik is wearing an example 😊
Ceejay Writer admires
Liz Wilner: By 1874, skirts began to taper in the front and were adorned with trimmings, while sleeves tightened around the wrist area.
Liz Wilner: Towards 1875 to 1876, bodices featured long but even tighter laced waists, and converged at a sharp point in front. Bustles lengthened and slipped even lower, causing the fullness of the skirt to further slim. Extra fabric was gathered behind in pleats, thus creating a narrower but longer tiered, draped train.
Liz Wilner: Due to the longer trains, petticoats had to be worn underneath to keep the dress clean.
Magda Kamenev quietly bids adieu.
Ceejay Writer wiggles fingers at Magda
Liz Wilner: However, when 1877 approached, slimmer silhouettes were favored. This was allowed by the invention of the cuirass bodice which functioned like a corset but extended downwards to the hips and upper thighs. Although styles took on a more natural form, the narrowness of the skirt limited walking.
Liz Wilner: By the 1890’s, the bustle had gone for good.
Panza Finch: yay
Liz Wilner: In menswear, the mid to late 1800’s saw few changes. During the 1850s, men started wearing shirts with high upstanding or turnover collars and four-in-hand neckties tied in a bow, or tied in a knot with the pointed ends sticking out like “wings”. The upper-class continued to wear top hats; bowler hats were worn by the working class.
Liz Wilner: In the 1860s, men started wearing wider neckties that were tied in a bow or looped into a loose knot and fastened with a stickpin. Frock coats were shortened to knee-length and were worn for business, while the mid-thigh length sack coat slowly displaced the frock coat for less-formal occasions. Top hats briefly became the very tall “stovepipe” shape, but a variety of other hat shapes were popular.
Liz Wilner: During the 1870s, three-piece suits grew in popularity along with patterned fabrics for shirts. Neckties were the four-in-hand and, later, the Ascot ties. A narrow ribbon tie was an alternative for tropical climates, especially in the Americas. Both frock coats and sack coats became shorter.
Liz Wilner: During the 1880s, formal evening dress remained a dark tailcoat and trousers with a dark waistcoat, a white bow tie, and a shirt with a winged collar. In mid-decade, the dinner jacket or tuxedo, was used in more relaxed formal occasions. Knee-length topcoats, often with contrasting velvet or fur collars, and calf-length overcoats were worn in winter.
Liz Wilner: 1890-1914 Edwardian Era was an epoch of beautiful clothes and the peak of luxury living for a select few – the very rich and the very privileged through birth
Liz Wilner: If you were wealthy like an Edwardian society hostess, cascades of lace and ultra-feminine clothes were available as labor was plentiful and sweated.
Liz Wilner: Couturiers of Paris introduced a new columnar silhouette, with a distinctive “S” shaped curve
Liz Wilner: Hats developed much wider brims. Lavish trims such as feathers often stuck out well beyond the brim.
Liz Wilner: The hats were named Merry Widow hats after the popular operetta of the era.
Liz Wilner: Men’s Edwardian fashion showcased youth with slimmer suits and brighter colors compared to the oversized bland fashion of the previous decade.
Liz Wilner: Men’s formalwear consisted of a few key styles: the morning suit, the full-dress tuxedo, and the dinner jacket.
Liz Wilner: The shape of these formal suits followed fashion trends in daytime suiting, but never evolved into anything new.
Liz Wilner: Cutaway coats (frock coats) were a suit dress option worn in the daytime for a business meeting, morning wedding, or sporting event like horseraces.
Liz Wilner: Cutaway coats featured long rounded jacket fronts with single button closure that hung to the knee, buttoned with a coat link or jacket button, lapels faced in a matching dull silk.
Liz Wilner: Shoulders were padded and arms full for a masculine Edwardian shape. Cutaway coats (black or grey) worn as semi-dress were called morning suits when worn with worsted wool or cashmere striped grey and black trousers. Some older men wore black and white checked trousers called “sponge bags.”
Liz Wilner: A black double breasted Prince Albert coat or single-breasted chesterfield coat (with velvet collar) was worn on top the of entire ensemble for cold weather. Formalwear coats were fitted to the body.
Ceejay Writer snickers
Liz Wilner: A single- or double-breasted waistcoat (vest) was worn with the suit in any fashionable silk color he liked, light or dark, and could have or not have a collar and lapels.
Liz Wilner: The freedom of the outfit was found in the vest and necktie, but everything else was predestined.
Liz Wilner: . A high silk top hat was the most traditional. A few young men began wearing bowler/derby hats with morning suits at the end of the era, but not for weddings.
Liz Wilner: I hope that gives you a brief overview of how fashion evolved through these centuries.
Panza Finch: ♪♫~ ღ♥ღ Applause ღ♥ღ~♫♪
Mary Layton: +✰+‘•.¸ APPLAUSE APPLAUSE ¸.•‘+✰*+
Nyx Malaspina: APPLAUSE!!!!
Tinus Koskinen: fantastic thank you!
Jimmy Branagh applauds
Liz Wilner: Women and men enjoy a bit more freedom now
Katie: claps enthusiastically
Bain Finch: scary stuff! lol
Ephemeria: Thank you both for this excellent presentation
Harperlass: applause and thank you
Ceejay Writer: Thank you! I learned things!
Liz Wilner: Thank you. And please, do come to the exhibit beginning June 1 at the Ravenheart Museum of Art, Culture, & Curious Things for an even more in-depth look at high fashion 1700-Edwardian Era.
Bain Finch: ♪♫~ ღ♥ღ Applause ღ♥ღ~♫♪
Jimmy Branagh: Yes, well done!
Liz Wilner: Take a copy of the poster, which also contains the LM. And we definitely hope to see you for Royal Ascot on June 19th! Be well and Dress well!
Nyx Malaspina: Ladies, it is so difficult to make this topic both concise and informative, you have done an xlnt job!
Sophie Cloud: Will it ever swing back, I wonder? Thank you for the wonderful and informative lecture today. 🙂
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Lovely presentation. Thank you!
Dahlia ʀɨʋɛʀǟ Vinter: It was quite interesting
Liz Wilner: It’s rather difficult to cover everything in an hour…there is so much detail to fashion!
Panza Finch: I’m not giving up my sweats….
Liz Wilner: lol Panza!
Bain Finch: me too
Mary Layton: haha 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Full and edited transcripts of today’s salon wil be posted by evening tomorrow at the Salon website, https://aethersalon.home.blog/
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Out of all those years the 1780s for both women and men is still my absolute favorite period.
Tinus Koskinen thank you very much ladies for a great lesson..
Panza Finch: It’s fun in SL, but RL……I’ll stay comfy.
Liz Wilner: I agree…quite elegant
Nyx Malaspina: what is this thing called “sweats”, is it an ill humor?
Liz Wilner: I admit I’m partial to edwardian though 😉
Tinus Koskinen: I fear I must be off, (waves goodbye)
Panza Finch: Wonderful trip through history.
Jimmy Branagh: Dun forget to show appreciation to the speakers!
Ceejay Writer: Bye Tinus!
Harperlass: < Myx it is a passing augue
Sophie Cloud: I must agree, I do prefer the Edwardian sense of fashion.
Liz Wilner: Thank you for coming, Tinus 🙂
Harperlass: By Tinus
Bain Finch: OK Ladies and Gents, must run off for a bit
Ceejay Writer: (tip the speakers directly today)
Bain Finch: Thank you Oriella and Liz
Panza Finch: And I’m called away also.
Lukas McKenzie: byes Uncle Bain 🙂
Oriella Charik: All very well if you have a maid to tighten your corset!
Panza Finch: Thank you so much.
Liz Wilner: Thank you for coming, Panza and Bain 🙂
joshua12inglewood gives bainfinch a hug.
Cassie Eldemar: thank you Liz and Ori 🙂
Lukas McKenzie: mmmm cya late Uncle Bain 🙂
Bain Finch: see you later maybe?
Bain Finch: good
Panza Finch: Later everyone.
Mary Layton: Yes, Edwardian was most sumptuous. I mean, the JEWELS! 😀
joshua12inglewood gives Panza a hug.
Harperlass: Thank you all very uch
Liz Wilner: oh yes…the jewels
Lukas McKenzie: mmmmmmmmmm me see you late Auntie Panza 🙂
Panza Finch: See you later for Relay Fest, darling.
Lukas McKenzie: okies 🙂
Nyx Malaspina: ah…and now I have time to dress for the future….something called NeoFuturisms? Hmmm
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: (where is the tip jar please?
Panza Finch: No corsets involved. 😀
Liz Wilner: it was also Victoria who had a passion for antique jewelry
Liz Wilner: she brought back a lot of styles
Ceejay Writer: Please tip the speakers directly today.
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: okies
Lukas McKenzie: i go and search Rosehaven for the hidden treasure 🙂
Katie: Goodbye and thank you!
Bain Finch: Mmmm
Panza Finch: Later love
Jimmy Branagh: Thank you Duchess Liz and Wizard Oriella!
Lukas McKenzie: looks at the Admiral 🙂
Bain Finch: se you a few my love
Cassie Eldemar: take care everyone ✿ faerie hugs ✿
Nyx Malaspina: Farewell, mes amies.
Liz Wilner: Thank you for coming those leaving 🙂
Lukas McKenzie: byes Miss Cassie 🙂
Bain Finch: Take care folks
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Take care everyone
Ephemeria: bonsoir mes amis
joshua12inglewood gives Tamlorn a hug.
Jimmy Branagh: Next month is my turn, dealing with personal hygiene in the same time period.
Jimmy Branagh chuckels
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: take care lil buddy
Jimmy Branagh: Not really!
Lukas McKenzie: mmmm me cya later Tam 🙂
Ceejay Writer: *chokes* Jimmy? An urchin? Personal hygene?
Liz Wilner: Beau Brummell…he started the daily bath thing 😉
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: thank goodness
Liz Wilner: exactly, Tam!
Lukas McKenzie: baths ? ρƒƒƒƒt :p
Oriella Charik: Which, without Mr Brummell’s baths. was not of the best
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: I can’t imagine what the smells were like prior
Liz Wilner: otherwise, one used heavy perfumes and such
Jimmy Branagh: As you know Miss Ceejay, Oy am not a standard-issue urchin
Liz Wilner: baths were once a month…or year even!
Wildstar Beaumont: 🙂
Lukas McKenzie: pa posh Urchin
Lukas McKenzie: yes once a year is enough 🙂
Liz Wilner: LOL
Ceejay Writer: This is very true. You attend literary and salon events, and only occassionally horrify me.
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: so the Edwardian Era ended with WW1?
Lukas McKenzie: bath at christmas time for santa 🙂
Liz Wilner: the death of Edward
Jimmy Branagh: Once a week fa me, am’ a little lilac water. Th’ ladies loike it.
Oriella Charik: Yes, WWI put an and to many things
Lukas McKenzie: dirt keeps germs away 🙂
Wildstar Beaumont: LOL @ Lukas
Liz Wilner: in fact the 1910, I think, Ascot was known as the Black Ascot…the posh folk came in mourning dress
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: I would think so Lady Oriella
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: what made 1910 Ascot black?
Liz Wilner: the death of King Edward
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: ah
Lukas McKenzie: its true Honest. now me have to go and feed the moles at rosehave exploding cookies to help me find the treasure hehehe
Ceejay Writer: Sure, sure Lukas, a likely story
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: that makes sense. So he was actually only king for about 9 years.
Liz Wilner: but the styles of fashion only inched forward until the end of WW1
Lukas McKenzie: feed moles exploding cookies and boom instant hole to look for treasure
Liz Wilner: then the 20’s happened
Lukas McKenzie: byes all 🙂
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: nini Lukas
Wildstar Beaumont: bye Lukas !
Liz Wilner: bye Lukas 🙂
Jimmy Branagh waves
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: sleep well
Mary Layton: See ya Lukas!
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Lukas is in the Uk as are many of mt friends
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: my
Jimmy Branagh: Me too, I’m off. Stay well awl!
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: nini Jimmie
Liz Wilner: Thank you, Jimmy! 🙂
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Jimmy
Mary Layton: ‘nite Jimmy!
OldeSoul Eldemar: Wonderful presentation !
Liz Wilner: ty 🙂
Liz Wilner: I hope I wasn’t too fast
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: it really was.
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: good
Wildstar Beaumont: very interesting ! great job !
Ceejay Writer: This will be a salon I refer back to often.
Liz Wilner: please make sure to come to the large exhibit starting June1
Mary Layton: Yes, great presentation!
Wildstar Beaumont: good night everyone
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Some people feel that Bew Brummel actually started the decline in men’s fashion.
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Beau
Ceejay Writer: I will visit the exhibit!
Liz Wilner: Beau is always met with controversy
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: what we have now is yuck!
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: anyway time for me to take poochies walkies
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: take care and best wishes to everyone
Tamlorn Carterhaugh Wood: Cheers!

References for Salon Talk May 16, 2021
(Wikipedia Victorian Fashion)
(vam.ac.uk)
(https://fashion-era.com/la_belle_epoque_1890-1914_fashion.htm)
(fiveminutehistory.com/edwardian-fashion-a-5-minute-guide)
(vintagedancer.com/1900s/edwardian-1910s-historical-mens-fashion-and-clothing-an-overview)