Pinkertons! With Jedburgh Dagger (Unedited)

Ceejay Writer waits for the fog to lift.
Gabrielle Riel: Hi Ceejay 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Hi Gabi!
Gabrielle Riel: (afk)
Darlingmonster Ember: waves to CJ
Ceejay Writer waves back
Francesca Alva: good evening all
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Greetings, everyone!
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Miss Ceejay!
Ceejay Writer: Hi Luc, Hoy Jimmy!
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Greetings, Commodore.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Fraulein Writer, what a delight.
Jedburgh Dagger: Howdy!
Ceejay Writer: Good to see you Klaus!
Francesca Alva: I hope I’m not sitting on anyone
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Francesca…. you’re sitting on top of me 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Me too.
Francesca Alva: eeps
Darlingmonster Ember: hullo Zaida
Francesca Alva: sorry
Francesca Alva: I can’t see
Zaida Gearbox: hi darling!
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Zaida!
Zaida Gearbox: hi mr. baron – imma not seeing you for a long long time…
Zaida Gearbox: hi jimmy
Solace Fairlady: Hello Duchess Liz, Miss CJ, Miss Zaida, Commodore Jed!
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Now you’re sitting on Gabi, Francesa 😉
Darlingmonster Ember: M Alva try the chair behind you
Francesca Alva: oh no
Darlingmonster Ember: yes that one
Jedburgh Dagger: Is this the NBA lectern?
Ceejay Writer: I hear its good luck to have Francesca sit on you. Better than a four leaf clover.
Francesca Alva: oh dear
Francesca Alva: hahaha
Solace Fairlady: Hello Boiler Elf!
Darlingmonster Ember makes a note in M Alva’s file
Francesca Alva: oh no!
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: I will give her a different chair, one moment.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: NBA, Commodore?
Solace Fairlady: Hello Andrea!
Francesca Alva: the floor will suffice
Gabrielle Riel: (back)
Jedburgh Dagger: or would it be easier if I said the mainland height one
Francesca Alva: thank you, Herr Baron
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: I had a tall speaker last time.
Ceejay Writer: Ah, I get it Jed.
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Welcome back, my songbird. 🙂
Solace Fairlady: Hello Sir Luc!
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Hello Solace!
Ceejay Writer: So weird, I feel like I’m being… watched.
Jedburgh Dagger: Scary, ain’t it?
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Jedburgh Dagger: Like biscuit biscuits or cookies?
ℒucifer ℳorningstar assumes proper biscuits, not bastard scones
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: ‘Cookies’. Commodore Jed Dagger has been associated with the Aether Salon since its beginnings, and has been a frequent speaker on subjects of the military, spycraft and matters of security.
Ceejay Writer: 🙂
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: We welcome her again today on another fascinating subject.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
Francesca Alva: ★(`’·.¸(`’·.¸ * ¸.·’´)¸.·’´)★
Francesca Alva: A*P*P*L*A*U*S*E !!!
Francesca Alva: ★(¸.·’´(¸.·’´ * `’·.¸)`’·.¸)★
Jimmy Branagh applauds
Liz Wilner applauds
Wildstar Beaumont: ♪♫♥ Applauds!!! ♥♫♪
Ceejay Writer whistles
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Jedburgh Dagger: So just to make sure, can the Baptists in the back hear me?
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach chuckles
Francesca Alva: I can hear you ㋡
Glaubrius Valeska: We can Commodore. I will ask the Quaker when he gets here if he can
Jedburgh Dagger: Alrighty then
Darlingmonster Ember: yes
Jedburgh Dagger: Today I am going to be talking about a topic that is of interest to me, both professionally and historically. What I found when I began to gather my notes was that there is a great deal of material on the subject, and that there is also a lot of inherent bias depending on which source you choose, so what I will try to do is stick to a down the middle approach, point out both the good and the bad, so like Cromwell have the portrait contain warts and all.
ℒucifer ℳorningstar smiles
Jedburgh Dagger: As it goes, the name Pinkerton has grown from just the name of a man, to represent both an organization and a line of work. While the younger folks may not be as familiar with the term, it was for many years associated with ‘private detective’ because of the size of the organization it represented. Their logo, with the big eye and their motto, ‘We never sleep’, added to the vernacular of the ‘private eye’.
Jedburgh Dagger: At the height of it’s power during the early part of the 20th century, the Pinkerton National Detective Agency was the largest private law enforcement agency in the world. While they are no longer known for their detective business, the agency is still in business today and primarily involved with corporate threat intelligence, risk management, executive protection, and active shooter responses.
Jedburgh Dagger: And just as a sidebar, their headquarters is in Ann Arbor Michigan.
Ceejay Writer: O.o
ℒucifer ℳorningstar smiles
Darlingmonster Ember: wow
Gabrielle Riel smiles
Ceejay Writer: An hour away. I should visit!
Jedburgh Dagger: Let’s start by talking about this guy. This is Allan Pinkerton, the founder of the agency, and a pretty fascinating man in his own right. He was born in Glasgow, Scotland, on August 25, 1819. He was a cooper by trade (and just for one of many sidebars, that means he made barrels), he was largely self taught, and he dropped out of school at the age of 10 when his father passed away. One point I found of interest was that he was involved in the Scottish Chartist movement as a young man.
Philip Underwood: With a bird beak?
Jedburgh Dagger: The Chartist movement was a working class male suffrage movement in England during the early 1800s to reform the electoral process for Parliament, and to advocate for the rights of factory workers in cities. I included this because later we’ll see that the Pinkertons were very involved in strikebreaking and anti-labor union activities in the United States. Pinkerton himself was a strong advocate of workers rights but was very distrustful of unions.
Solace Fairlady: I have a Chartist settlement down the road from me
Solace Fairlady: there is, rather
Jedburgh Dagger: Just to add another bit in there, the Chartists were also advocates for the right to vote for all citizens, and to eliminate the land ownership bits from serving in Parliament.
Jedburgh Dagger: In 1842 he and his wife immigrated to the United States and he moved to Dundee Illinois. He set up a business as a cooper, and oddly enough this business venture is what launched his career as a detective. During this time while he was wandering the woods looking for trees suitable for making barrel staves, he found a group of men involved in counterfieting. He observed the men, followed them out of the woods, gathered additional information on what they were doing, and eventually gave this information to the local sheriff.
Liz Wilner: so…not one ot mind his own business 😉
Liz Wilner: *to
Solace Fairlady: heeee
Francesca Alva: ㋡
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Did you ever meet a detective who could? 😉
Liz Wilner: lol…no
Francesca Alva: hehe
Darlingmonster Ember: not according to the televisions
Solace Fairlady: was he allowed to just go take any tree he wanted?
Jedburgh Dagger: Just to add another layer to this, Pinkerton was also involved in the abolitionists of the Chicago area, and his house was used as a stop on the Underground Railroad. I’d like to add that the Pinkertons were known for hiring both minorities and females, which was pretty well unheard of during the Victorian era.
Darlingmonster Ember: neat
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Then they had good sense.
Jimmy Branagh nods
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Hallo, Zaida.
Zaida Gearbox nods in agreement with mr. baron
Jedburgh Dagger: In 1849, Pinkerton was appointed as the first police detective in Chicago, Illinois. He was getting a reputation as a man who could get the job done, and the work he did in Cook County led to the next step in the story. In 1850, he partnered with Chicago attorney Edward Rucker in forming the North-Western Police Agency. This agency was what would eventually become Pinkerton National Detective Agency.
Solace Fairlady: very forward thinking
Jedburgh Dagger: One of the primary clients of the new agency was the railroad. The United States of the 1850s had a massive growth in westward expansion, and a great deal of this expansion was linked to the rise of railroads. The railroad was the way to get the raw materials of the west back east to the manufacturing centers, it was a way for people to travel faster from city to city, and it was the way those manufactured goods could get to both markets internally and internationally. With that expansion there was of course big money involved, and the trains became the targets of criminal activity.
Jedburgh Dagger: This criminal activity led to the Pinkertons being hired to both protect the trains and to solve the robberies. During this time the Pinkertons solved several high profile robberies of the Illinois Central Railroad, and this helped launch Pinkerton into the next part of his career.
Jedburgh Dagger: I’ve said it for years that sometimes it is who you know that contributes to your success, along with whatever talent you have. During Pinkerton’s dealings with the Illinois Central, he met a couple of folks who turned out to be important later on. The Chief Engineer of the railroad (and that’s design and build stuff, not drive trains) was a West Point graduate and former Army officer by the name of George McLelland, who will later be the commander of the Army of the Potomac. The railroad also had a lawyer on staff who you might recognize that Pinkerton dealt with, a farmboy by the name of Abraham Lincoln.
Wildstar Beaumont: networking is always useful 🙂
Ceejay Writer: Heard of him.
Jedburgh Dagger: I had always wondered how Pinkerton managed to become the head of the Union’s Intelligence Service, and it came down to knowing a guy, who knew a guy….
ℒucifer ℳorningstar lives by that principle
Liz Wilner: that’s how most things work 😉
Jedburgh Dagger: In 1859, Pinkerton attended the secret meetings held by John Brown and Frederick Douglass in Chicago along with abolitionists John Jones and Henry O. Wagoner. This was part of the organizing and planning for the raid later that year that John Brown would lead at Harper’s Ferry West Virginia, and would be one of the incidents that led to both the start of the American Civil War and to the election of Abraham Lincoln to the Presidency.
Jedburgh Dagger: With the start of the Civil War in 1861, Pinkerton became the head of the Union Intelligence Service. During this time he and his agents were involved in identifying Southern troop movements, and also were instrumental in breaking up an assasination plot against Lincoln in Baltimore Maryland as the President made his way back to Washington DC.
Dahlia Vinter: But John Brown was hanged
Jedburgh Dagger: Yes he was.
Jedburgh Dagger: Without wheeling off-topic onto that too hard, the Brown Raid into Harper’s Ferry set a lot of balls rolling.
Darlingmonster Ember scribbles note, ‘avoid Harpers Ferry Balls’
Jedburgh Dagger: While he was tried and hung for what he did, his sentiments stirred up a lot of things politically for why he did it.
Glaubrius Valeska: Bit of a surprise to me that Douglass helped plan that raid.
Jedburgh Dagger: Brown tried to get him to go with.
Jedburgh Dagger: Anyways, let’s get back onto my notes 😉
Jedburgh Dagger: As a part of his intelligence gathering operations, he had agents in the south posing as Confederate soldiers and sympathisers to collect information on troop movements and supplies. Pinkerton himself conducted several missions posing as Major E.J. Allen of the Confederate Army. During the summer of 1861, he traveled through the south to gather information on troop dispostitons and fortifications. While in Memphis, he was apparently ferretted out and had to make an escape from local authorities who figured out who he was.
Jedburgh Dagger: Pinkerton served as the head of the Union Intelligence Service for two years, and this service enevtually led to the creation of the United States Secret Service, the aggency which is investigates crimes such as forgery and counterfieting, and also protects the elected officials of the United States government. Just a bit of trivia here. The bill that created the Secret Service had been passed by Congress and was awaiting Lincoln’s signature on the day he was killed on April 14th, 1865. Plus, the Secret Service was mandated to conduct counterintelligence operations within the United States until 1908, when this function was shifted to the Bureau of Investigation, which became the FBI in the 1930s.
Solace Fairlady waves to Wulfie
Wulfriðe Blitzen waves back to Solace 🙂
Jedburgh Dagger: Pinkerton returned to working for the railroads after the war ended. His agency was involed in both protecting the railroads against robbers and to the hunting down of those men involved in the robberies.
Jedburgh Dagger: One of the most well known of these was Jesse James. The Pinkertons had a lot of involvemnt with the James and the Youngers. The railroads hired the Pinkertons to find James, and Pinkerton struggled to make headway with the investigation. After the railroads pulled their financial backing Pinkerton continued to pursue James on his own dime. Several Pinkerton agents were killed during the course of the pursuit, including two that were killed during a confrontation with the Younger brothers (which also resulted in the death of one of the Youngers) and another who was working undercover at a local farm killed by Jesse himself.
Ceejay Writer: Wow.
Jedburgh Dagger: So this is part of how the Pinkerton name became associated with chasing down criminals in the American West.
Jedburgh Dagger: Still playing to the theme of their involvement with the government, in 1871 Congress created a Bureau of Justice that was tasked with enforcing crimes against the Federal government. As Congress is often want to do, it was underfunded, so this job ended up being contracted to Pinkertons agency.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Heh.
Jedburgh Dagger: You can see he was still pretty well connected, and there was a little blurring of the lines between private and governmental authority there.
Jedburgh Dagger: Apparently it got bad enough that Congress passed the Anti-Pinkerton Act in 1893, stating that an “individual employed by the Pinkerton Detective Agency, or similar organization, may not be employed by the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia.”
Jimmy Branagh chuckles
Darlingmonster Ember: ping
Jedburgh Dagger: Oddly enough, the Federal government still employs private contractors for some security and quasi-military functions today, and this law was cited in a couple of court cases.
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: I did.
ℒucifer ℳorningstar wrong windows himself again
Jedburgh Dagger: During the last half of the 19th century, and into the 1930s, the Pinkertons were also involved in a lot of strike-breaking work.
Darlingmonster Ember makes a note in M Morningstar’s folio
Solace Fairlady: And there was I thinking you did quasi-security work for the Govt, Sir Luc
ℒucifer ℳorningstar grins at DM
Darlingmonster Ember: 😀
ℒucifer ℳorningstar says nothing to Solace’s inquiry 😉
Solace Fairlady: Such a tease:P)
Jedburgh Dagger: The biggest strike breaking instance I will mention was the Homestead Strike in Pittsburg.
Jedburgh Dagger: Henry Clay Frick, the President of Carnegie Steel, used the Pinkertons to break a strike during 1892.
Jedburgh Dagger: 300 Pinkerton detectives from New York and Chicago were called in to protect the Pittsburgh-area mill and strikebreakers. This resulted in a firefight and siege in which 16 men were killed, and 23 others were wounded. To restore order, two brigades of the Pennsylvania militia were called out by the Governor.
Jedburgh Dagger: It was a huge mess, and was possibly the worst of the strikes of the time.
Ceejay Writer: It really, really was.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Why did he mistrust the unions so much?
Jimmy Branagh: ((brb))
Jedburgh Dagger: He saw them as another political organization that sought to work for their own ends, rather than the advertised ones
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: And union bosses were often qausi-criminal themselves.
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: quasi*
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Danke.
Dahlia Vinter: Like in Arthur conan´s doyle “valley of fear!”
Francesca Alva: yes!
Jedburgh Dagger: I was going to say that the large private detective agencies began to decline in the start of the 20th century as local, state and Federal governments began to take on that role for themselves.
Darlingmonster Ember: ah
Jedburgh Dagger: Classically government did a lot more ‘order maintenance’ things, and then began to take on the investigative tasks later.
Jimmy Branagh: ((kback))
Solace Fairlady: ((wb Jimmy))
Liz Wilner: wb 🙂
Jimmy Branagh: (thxthx))
Jedburgh Dagger: Just as another side note, the Pinkerton agency dropped the word ‘detective’ from their title in the 1960s
Ceejay Writer likes all the side notes
Jedburgh Dagger: Allan Pinkerton himself died in 1884.
Liz Wilner: did he have a family?
Solace Fairlady: Would the Agency have been such vehement strike breakers if he were still alive at the time/ more so, maybe? or more considerate?
Jedburgh Dagger: The cause was under some question. They suspected it may have been a stroke, or malaria from when he was in the south during the war
Jedburgh Dagger: At the time of his death, he was working on a system to centralize all criminal identification records, a database now maintained by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Jedburgh Dagger: and yes, he was married, and had a son and a daughter.
Dahlia Vinter: Yes, he had family
Solace Fairlady: metal punch cards, like in “The Difference Engine”?
Jedburgh Dagger: No idea what his original basis was
Jedburgh Dagger: But what he saw the need for would all come together in the late 1920s because of folks like John Dillinger
Solace Fairlady: Visionary, or just seeing the obvious
Jedburgh Dagger: Well, to go off on that tangent
Jedburgh Dagger: Criminals can be mobile
Jedburgh Dagger: Records of that time were pretty well centralized to the town in which things happened
Solace Fairlady: Could you be extradited, as it were, from one state to stand trial in another, back thn?
Jedburgh Dagger: So bad people do bad things, move, and no one knows they are bad people
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: And often, to catch a criminal who is mobile, one needs to be able to cross reference and share information.
Jedburgh Dagger: ok, one question at a time 😉
Jedburgh Dagger: Yes, you could be extradited.
Jedburgh Dagger: But you’d have to have someone with jurisdiction, and the right paperwork to do so
Solace Fairlady: nods
Solace Fairlady: marshals, or Pinkertons?
Jedburgh Dagger: Just like now, but now things are easier because of communications
Jedburgh Dagger: Depends.
Jedburgh Dagger: If you had someone who was wanted, anyone could bring them back, but you run into dealing with the locals
Jedburgh Dagger: To circle back to where I was before, this is how the FBI became a ‘thing’
Solace Fairlady: But it could have been a Pinkerton thing had he got it going
Jedburgh Dagger: the US Marshalls had the authority before, but they did not have the funding or the manpower to bring back everyone between states
Jedburgh Dagger: Now to answer Solace’s question. I don’t know if they would have been less ardent in strikebreaking if he was still alive.
Solace Fairlady: Complex man, Chartist yet anti-union
Jedburgh Dagger: He was said to distrust organized unions and he disliked strikes.
Jedburgh Dagger: But he was an advocate for worker’s rights.
Liz Wilner: not unreasonable
Solace Fairlady: not at all
Jedburgh Dagger: I think one part of him that I found interesting was he was largely self-educated
Solace Fairlady: Seems a lot of the “great” people, the influential and interesdting of that time, were
Jedburgh Dagger: His father died when he was 10, he dropped out of school to work, and was a voracious reader
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Self-educated does not necessarily equal badly educated. Although some authourities today would have you think otherwise.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Less inculcated by what they were ‘supposed’ to know.
Jimmy Branagh nods
Solace Fairlady: Very true Sir Luc and Herr baron!
Solace Fairlady: Education does not stop when we graduate, could say we all ought to contine being self-educated
Solace Fairlady: *continue
ℒucifer ℳorningstar: Indeed
Solace Fairlady: Well, for those of you whio graduated:)
Jedburgh Dagger: If we’ve wandered off into the philosophy of learning….
Solace Fairlady: Sorry, sorry!
Jedburgh Dagger: Are there any more questions?
ℒucifer ℳorningstar has none, but completely enjoyed the lecture 🙂
Solace Fairlady: When is your next presentation, this one was awesome!
Ceejay Writer: This really was, I’ve learned SO MUCH
Jedburgh Dagger: Ask Klaus. He’s the one that guilted me into speaking this time 😛
Francesca Alva: Thank you, this was so interesting
Solace Fairlady: He does have tghose puppy dog eyes
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: You can show your appreciation, if you have not yet, by tipping the tip-bot, so the monies may be handed to our excellent speaker.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
Zaida Gearbox: thank you miz jed
Jimmy Branagh applauds
Liz Wilner applauds
Jedburgh Dagger: Since I did get his picture…
Francesca Alva: ★(`’·.¸(`’·.¸ * ¸.·’´)¸.·’´)★
Francesca Alva: A*P*P*L*A*U*S*E !!!
Francesca Alva: ★(¸.·’´(¸.·’´ * `’·.¸)`’·.¸)★
Jimmy Branagh: Thenks Miss Jed!
Jimmy Branagh: That was most interesting!
Ceejay Writer: *cheers*
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Solace Fairlady: ★ : A҈ P҈ P҈ L҈ A҈ U҈ S҈ E҈ ❢ : A҈ P҈ P҈ L҈ A҈ U҈ S҈ E҈ ❢ ★
Solace Fairlady: ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★
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Solace Fairlady: ★ : A҈ P҈ P҈ L҈ A҈ U҈ S҈ E҈ ❢ : A҈ P҈ P҈ L҈ A҈ U҈ S҈ E҈ ❢ ★
Solace Fairlady: ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★ .:･. ★
Liz Wilner: Thank you Jed…that was very informative 🙂
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Wildstar Beaumont: thanks miss Jed
Liz Wilner: well done!
Solace Fairlady: .:*★*:. .:*☆*:. .:* APPLAUSE!!! *:. .:*☆*:. .:*★*:.
Jedburgh Dagger: I’ll throw up the picture of Little Mac
Francesca Alva: I’m afraid I have to dash – but htis was wonderful. Thank you
Elleon Bergamasco: Yay Jed-and you didn’t hit anyone over the head!
Wulfriðe Blitzen applauds!
Jedburgh Dagger: The night is young 😉
Wildstar Beaumont: good night everyone !
Elleon Bergamasco: true…
Jimmy Branagh: Noight sir!
Liz Wilner: Good night all!
Solace Fairlady: Thank you so so much Commodore, a fascinating subject brilliantly delivered – you have helped my self-education:)
Solace Fairlady bobs a curtsey
Ceejay Writer: I must be going, but I am very glad I came. Thanks Jed!
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Good to see you all!
Jedburgh Dagger: I’m glad you did
Jimmy Branagh: Noight awl! An’ thenks again Miss Jed!
Jimmy Branagh waves
Philip Underwood: Thanks Commodoer!
Ceejay Writer: Goodnight, all!
Dahlia Vinter: thanks for the awesome speech