Unedited Transcripts

Libraries! with JJ Drinkwater and Kghia Gherardi (Unedited)

Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello Dame Kghia.Nice to see the speaker
Kghia Gherardi: Good afternoon.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I set out two couches for you and Sir JJ
Kghia Gherardi grins, “When I host, I feel reassured to see the guest early.”
Jedburgh30 Dagger chuckles
Kghia Gherardi: It prevents panic
Bookworm Hienrichs nods.
NBTA Streetcar v3.41: Crossing sim boundary. Please hang on.
Linus Lacombe: That is a very chatty streetcar
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Miss Viv’s typist is on vacation but will try to make it in time
Bookworm Hienrichs: They can be vindictive, too, Mr. Lacombe.
Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Mass Transportation with an attitude
Linus Lacombe: I am sure it loves sim boundaries
Bookworm Hienrichs grins at Jed.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: We have had a few go astray
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I found one in the missus’ factory one morning
Bookworm Hienrichs: Greetings, Miss Fairlady, Sir Drinkwater.
Solace Fairlady: Hello Miss Hienrichs, Herr Baron, Mr Lacombe!
Solace Fairlady bobs a curtsey
JJ Drinkwater: Greetings, Invisibles
Linus Lacombe: Perhaps it was delusional and thought itself a freightcar?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Welcome Sir JJ and Miss Fairlady
Linus Lacombe: Good afternoon, Ms Fairlady
Kghia Gherardi: Hello, Sir JJ
JJ Drinkwater: Hello Dame Kghia!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I think it fancied itself a housecat from where it was hiding
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
JJ Drinkwater: You are looking most fashionable, as always
Solace Fairlady: Good afternoon Sir JJ, Miss Gherardi, Miss Puchkina
Solace Fairlady: And Miss dagger!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Miss Serra and Frau Lowey, welcome!
Solace Fairlady bobs a curtsey
Kghia Gherardi: Good day 🙂
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Damen.
Solace Fairlady: Lady twilight, Miss Lowey
Annechen Lowey: Good afternoon.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Good day, Frau Lowey, Lady Serra.
Serra Anansi: Hello, everyone!
Kghia Gherardi waves at Serra
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Miss Serra, always a pleasure.
Linus Lacombe: I wonder if that was the same factory in which poor Mr Thorne nearly met his maker when Designing Worlds came to New Babbage recently
Serra Anansi waves happily at Miss Gherardi
Serra Anansi curtsies to the Baron
Linus Lacombe: Good afternoon, Ms Widdershins
Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Saffia!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Fraulein Editrix, that is a lovely dress.
Saffia Widdershins: Thank you, Herr Baron. One of Miss Benelli’s finest, I think
DM Afarensisr: Good afternoon everyone
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: She does excellent work consistently.
Leslie Weston: I’m terribly sorry
Leslie Weston: didn’t see you
Saffia Widdershins: Indeed!
Linus Lacombe: Good afternoon, Mr Afarensis
Kghia Gherardi: Hello, Herndon.
Solace Fairlady: Hello Miss Bluebird, Miss Widdershins
Kghia Gherardi: Good evening, Saffia.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Frau Lowey, bitte, my attention is needed for a few moments.
Herndon Bluebird: I’m not yet in complete control of where I am
Herndon Bluebird: Hello all
Jedburgh30 Dagger: My apologies. Welcome everyone.
Annechen Lowey: Yes, sir.
Saffia Widdershins: Hello Kghia! Good luck with the talk 🙂
Kghia Gherardi: I have the easy part. :
Solace Fairlady: wonderful outfit Miss Dagger!
Rhianon Jameson waves. “Good afternoon.”
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello Rhianon!
Savannah Blindside: Good afternoon, all!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thank you 🙂
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Welcome Miss Blindside
Solace Fairlady: Pixel Dolls?
Leslie Weston: I don’t seem to have a stream enabled–will this be in voice?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Welcome M.Krupinski
Savannah Blindside: Thanks, Miss Sera
Jedburgh30 Dagger: No, it’s in text
Jedburgh30 Dagger: No voice
Leslie Weston: phew, thank you
Jedburgh30 Dagger: it’s half PD, half Trafalgar Outfitters
Solace Fairlady: O!
Solace Fairlady: very nicely done
Mel Krupinski: ah thanks serafina
Solace Fairlady: Hello Mr Couturier!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: If anyone needs a chair, please let me know in IM
Jedburgh30 Dagger: The chairs are free and you wear them
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Welcome Riven
Linus Lacombe: Hello, Ms Riven
Riven Homewood: Hello Miss Serafina – Hi Linus – Hello everyone
Savannah Blindside: Hello Miss Homewood.
Saffia Widdershins: I think I will stand. Otherwise Miss Heinrichs will photograph my ankles
Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Welcome Mr Firehawk
Linus Lacombe: Someone has voice on
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: We can’t be having that, Editrix.
Riven Homewood: I fear the asset server as eaten my chair. How do I get another one?
Saffia Widdershins: Indeed
Annechen Lowey: Not without an RFL vendor.
Savannah Blindside hastily crosses hers and tucks them under her chair.
Linus Lacombe: Not without a scan-dahl
Linus Lacombe: Hello Captain Beaumont
Jedburgh30 Dagger: IM Jed if you need a chair
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Stand by Riven
Riven Homewood: Thank you, Jed
Simeon Beresford: good day sirs and madams
JJ Drinkwater: Good day, Mr Beresford
Leslie Weston: I’m cooking, so I hope that people will take long, well-considered pauses…
Linus Lacombe: Hello Mr Beresford
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello Mr. Beresford
Riven Homewood: thanks, Jed
FynnFirehawk Resident: Hello sera, thank you
Jedburgh30 Dagger: You’re welcome
Jedburgh30 Dagger: clears throat
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina, Jasper and I are pleased to welcome you to the June edition of the Aether Salon – Libraries!. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today.
DM Afarensisr: hello… does anyone else see me precariously perched over the ocean here?
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Riven Homewood: The floor should rez presently, Mr Afarensis
Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. We have been doing so since October 2008, when a Brit, an urchin, and a newish to town redhead took the stage. This is our 27th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
Leslie Weston rings her bell.
Riven Homewood: Refrains from hooing
Riven Homewood: with great effort
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. For the consideration of your neighbors, please refrain from using or deploying any mystical weapons, alien rings, or ambrotypes of elected representatives in their undergarments. Your cooperation is appreciated.
Leslie Weston feels foolish for not refraining
Savannah Blindside: I’m having the same predicament, Miss Riven.
Holocluck Henly: thank you… which side is less lagged?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on aethersalon.blogspot.com so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all.
MeinNameIstZuLangAberGutMerkbar Resident: good evening ladies & gentlemen
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon: We are grateful to Miss Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the wonderful salon chairs and to our own Mr. Jasper Kiergarten for his expertise in creating today’s craft. We appreciate all of you who have contributed to salon. As a reminder, all speakers’ fund jar donations go directly to the speaker.
Holocluck Henly: pardon
Leslie Weston: hi Miss Scamon
Mel Krupinski: hiya snow
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to my cohort in crime Miss Sera for the introduction of today’s speakers.
snow Scarmon: helllo
Sera: Thank you, Miss Jed. If we may have your attention please, we have a very special and important announcement.
Sera: For three incredible years, the Aether Salon has celebrated the talents and ingenuity of the steampunk and victorian communities in SL, all from the heart of New Babbage, our treasured home.
Sera: We are so very proud of the quality, wit, and imagination of our 44* brilliant speakers, and our innumerable, very funny, always attentive, somewhat explosive audience members.
Breezy Carver:Claps Very Loudly!!
Leslie Weston rings her bell.
Kghia Gherardi applauds
Sera: After three years, the founders of the Salon have concluded that it is time for new adventures. Therefore, it is with much sadness, and even more gratitude that Jed, Serafina, Jasper and I wish to thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your support.
Sera: (This is Miss Viv’s speech I am reading for her)
Rhianon Jameson gasps
Linus Lacombe: oh dear
Solace Fairlady: what what??
Sera: *We hope you will join us for one final Hurrah! in August, when Dame Ordinal Malaprop returns to the stage.
JJ Drinkwater mutters “Egad”
Riven Homewood: Oh my!
Darlingmonster Ember: o m g
Solace Fairlady: o goodness
Sera: And we hope that you will give the next season of Salonistas, or however they determine to be called, the same support and attention that you have so generously shared with us and our speakers. More information on that topic will be forthcoming from Baron Wulfenbach and his Vice Consul.
Riven Homewood: What a marvellous way to end!
Sera: Words cannot express how much we will miss you all. On a personal note, my co-hosts are dear friends, and I cannot envision every third Sunday without them. You have all worked so hard. Thank you, sincerely and with every inch of my being.
Solace Fairlady: Dame Ordinal! Finishing with a flourish!
Kghia Gherardi: The Salons will be missed.
Riven Homewood: Indeed they will
Saffia Widdershins: Very much so
Jedburgh30 Dagger: And now…
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Erm..
Riven Homewood: They are such a part of our lives
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to introduce Sir JJ Drinkwater and Dame Kghia Gherardi.
Rhianon Jameson: Indeed.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Rhianon Jameson applauds
Breezy Carver smiles
Riven Homewood: Herr Baron, will the embassy be continuing the tradition?
Solace Fairlady: Such an outlet for independent thought
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Sir JJ is the director of the Caledon Library system, and founder of the Alexandrian Free Library, a consortium of libraries serving themed communities such as Caledon, Steelhead, and and Winterfell.
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Solace Fairlady applauds
Annechen Lowey raises an eyebrow atr the Baron.
Breezy Carver: ✰·.·´Claps Very Loudly!! ´·.·✰
Riven Homewood: Applauds loudly
Charlemagne Allen waves
Jedburgh30 Dagger: JJ’s “physical avatar”, JJ Jacobson (MSI 2005, University of Michigan School of Information) is a librarian with longstanding interests in narrative, intentional community, and the history of everyday life. Professional interests include digitization, metadata, teaching virtual world librarianship, and the uses of Food Studies materials to serve scholarship in the social sciences and the humanities.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Of course, Frau Riven.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Dame Kghia is an Aquarius, but her typist is a Gemini. One is a water sign, the other air, so the result is a lot of steam.
Rhianon Jameson laughs
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Kghia is co-founder of Bookstacks, the in-world community for readers; co-host of the Off the Shelf podcast, which airs on Radio Riel; and a volunteer at the Caledon Library, where she leads book discussions and builds towers from card catalogue discards when Mr Drinkwater isn’t looking.
Darlingmonster Ember: grins
Wildstar Resident grins
Serra Anansi laughs
KlausWulfenbach Outlander chuckles
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Leslie Weston rings her bell.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Her typist has a master’s degree in English, with a fondness for the British and American Romantics, and she is an avid reader of urban fantasy.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Please give your utmost attention to Dame Kghia and Sir JJ. We will take questions at the end.
Serra Anansi: Applause Applause!!!
Jedburgh30 Dagger looks up from her notes and applauds
Kghia Gherardi: Thank you for this opportunity, Viv, Jed, Jasper, & Sera. It is an honor to be here today. And it is an honor to talk about Libraries with one of my oldest and dearest friends in Second Life, and someone whom I greatly admire.
Savannah Blindside applauds
Rhianon Jameson applauds
JJ Drinkwater blushes
Kghia Gherardi: Mr. Drinkwater, thank you so much for agreeing to this interview. I know the audience is as interested in the history of libraries and of the Alexandrian Free Library System as I am.
Kghia Gherardi: Let’s start with setting some context. Your library is, I believe, a public library? Public libraries are relatively recent institutions, are they not?
JJ Drinkwater: I have delighted to be here to chat with you, Dame Kghia, and with our guests
JJ Drinkwater: Well, ever since there have been collections of texts, those texts have been made available to some group of people,
JJ Drinkwater: so the idea of a public library grew out of various kinds of private libraries.
Sophiekittycat Resident: hello
JJ Drinkwater: Two important precursors were the subscription library (which had both a buy-in price and a yearly fee — an early US example is the Library Company of Philadelphia, incorporated in 1742 ) ….
JJ Drinkwater: and the circulating library (originally created, it is believed, by booksellers, to make money by essentially renting out books)
JJ Drinkwater: A public library, funded by the community, to which anyone in the community can have access, is a creation of the 19th century…
Kghia Gherardi: It is a bit of a surprise to see so many libraries in a virtual world, but they seem very popular. How did they get their start?
JJ Drinkwater: …but found its flourishing in the first half of the 20th century
JJ Drinkwater: My impression is that there were small libraries in SL pretty early on
JJ Drinkwater: When I started investigating libraries here (in 2006) I ran across several that had clearly been around for some time.
JJ Drinkwater: They typically had anywhere from a dozen to a hundred books, and had been set up by residents who usually made simple notecard books, and made them available either to read on the spot. or to take copies.
JJ Drinkwater: he Librarium over on Abitibi was the largest of these that I found.
JJ Drinkwater: It seems to have been a common impulse: “Hey, we should have a library here!” The basic technology is simple, so I’m sure the idea arose independently in different places.
JJ Drinkwater: The first substantial library I saw here was over on Info Island, originally sponsored by a library consortium in Illinois, now run by the Community Virtual Library
JJ Drinkwater: I came to SL originally to get involved with the project there – it was a good way to get started here.
Kghia Gherardi: It says something about our culture when we have the impulse to create libraries wherever we go. 🙂
JJ Drinkwater: It does…and it says something about what libraries mean to people
Kghia Gherardi: So, the Caledon Library evolved from your early visit to Second LIfe?
JJ Drinkwater: Exactly. The Caledon Library was originally a branch of the Info Island library.
JJ Drinkwater: A few months after Caledon started, an early Caledonian, CoyoteAngel Dimsum, offered to provide land and a building, if some Info Island volunteer would create a library
JJ Drinkwater: I had already explored Caledon, and was excited by what I saw, so I was thrilled to be that volunteer.
Linus Lacombe: Hello Ms Derryth
JJ Drinkwater: Later, the Caledon Library became an independent organization, and CoyoteAngel and I became partners in making it happen.
Simeon Beresford: listens rapt
JJ Drinkwater: She did the building and designing, and I took care of the collections, events, and exhibits.
Rowan Derryth whispers ‘Hello’ like she’s in a library.
JJ Drinkwater: It wasn’t just me, I hasten to say!
Holocluck Henly: 🙂
JJ Drinkwater: Over the years, we’ve had a changing group of volunteers and supporters, who have built it out into what it is today.
Rowan Derryth: Ouch, does someone have voice on here?
Holocluck Henly: are they eating crisps?
Kghia Gherardi: Do you remember what your first exhibit was? (Kghia goes off script)
Charlemagne Allen: mmmm chips
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
JJ Drinkwater: It was an exhibit on “Silas Marner” which was our first or second book discussion
Jedburgh30 Dagger: How interesting!
Kghia Gherardi: When did the Caledon Library official open its doors? (aka – how long has it been around?)
JJ Drinkwater: I don’t remember exactly, but it was late summer 2006
JJ Drinkwater: August, I think
Kghia Gherardi: In what ways do virtual libraries resemble their physical counterparts? It isn’t like you can check out the latest bestselling novel. (returning to her list of questions)
JJ Drinkwater: Well, rather than what a library *is*….
JJ Drinkwater: I find it most useful to talk about what la library *does*, which is to provide access to information assembled for the benefit of the community it serves.
JJ Drinkwater: (I’m using a broad idea of “information” here, that takes in the research and recreational materials libraries make available, and the events they create)
JJ Drinkwater: That’s the common thread between RL & SL libraries, as I see it
JJ Drinkwater: As for that latest bestselling novel…because there’s no “fair use” for electronic materials, the way there is for hard copy…
JJ Drinkwater: he kind of virtual libraries you find in SL can’t (with a few exceptions) offer materials that are protected by copyright
Darlingmonster Ember: nods
JJ Drinkwater: So, what we do is guide patrons to materials in the public domain, Fortunately, there’s a lot of great stuff in the public domain.
Riven Homewood: nods sadly
Riven Homewood: and smiles at the thought of what is still available
Kghia Gherardi: Fortunately a library in Caledon can take full advantage of those 19th century materials.
JJ Drinkwater points in the direction of the Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg
Charlemagne Allen: how are you directing new peoples into the library now?
Caledonia Skytower wonders about the exceptions Sir JJ mentions
JJ Drinkwater: Well…..libraries and link to anything on the web, so a work that’s copyrighted, but up on the web somewhere can be part of our “collection”
Kghia Gherardi: What else is distinctive about a library here?
Caledonia Skytower nods in appreciatively
JJ Drinkwater: The best thing any library can do is to make information available where it’s needed. ..
JJ Drinkwater: So, one of the things that distinctive about a SL library is that, when it’s doing its job, it makes available the information you need for your SL life. That doesn’t sound like much until you consider how remarkable the life we live here is.
JJ Drinkwater: One thing that’s always struck me is the diversity of sources we draw on to construct our lives here.
JJ Drinkwater: Look around you, anywhere in the steamlands, and what you see is drawn from RL history and technology, from literature, from cheesy science fiction movies, from the visual arts….and all made to work together.
Wildstar Resident: You archive all those old blueprint of a battle-airship, hmm ?
JJ Drinkwater: Working on the library has taught me that the way libraries tend to organize sources, with non-fiction over here, and fiction over these, and blogs in a completely different category, isn’t perhaps the best way to serve a patron community.
JJ Drinkwater: Exactly, Wildstar
JJ Drinkwater: Gathering material together by subject, or by broad area of interest, has worked well for us.
Kghia Gherardi: I’ve always felt the Caledon Library was one of the cornerstone of the community, and I know this is something you’ve explored. How do you feel the Library helps shape Caledon? And what role has the librarian played?
JJ Drinkwater: Big question!
Savannah Blindside laughs I was thinkng the same thing..
JJ Drinkwater: It was a surprise to me, about a year into the project, that the library had become a significant feature of Caledon. I think several things account for that…
Kghia Gherardi grins, “I could ask you what kind of tree you think you are.”
Riven Homewood: Please, no either/or questions 🙂
Jedburgh30 Dagger: The Jung and the Restless…
JJ Drinkwater: That would be Oak-kay with me….
Bookworm Hienrichs groans and laughs.
Serra Anansi groans
Riven Homewood: grins
Holocluck Henly: sigh
Rhianon Jameson groans and thinks “Here we go…”
Charlemagne Allen makes like a leaf
Savannah Blindside: :;snorts::
Jedburgh30 Dagger rimshots
Linus Lacombe turns ashen
JJ Drinkwater: first of all, books are of great iconic importance to a lot of people …
Darlingmonster Ember: restrains herself lest she be thought a beech
Charlemagne Allen: willow stop now
Holocluck Henly raises his hand.
JJ Drinkwater plows grimly on…
JJ Drinkwater: they have a complicated symbolism that takes in a number of important values
JJ Drinkwater: books mean leisure, learning, literacy, the quest for knowledge, education, inquiry…things like that.
JJ Drinkwater: I brought up this topic at an impromptu party, yesterday, and got these responses:
Riven Homewood: Books as objects have all those meanings, no matter what their contents
JJ Drinkwater: Garnet Psaltery: A book is a door to the future
Solace Fairlady: and a window on the past
Dream Wrexan: A book is a way to communicate with the souls of people long gone and at far distances
Savannah Blindside: Some of my best friends are books. 🙂
Linus Lacombe expects they also provide a familar link with reality
JJ Drinkwater: This is the patron community speaking
Darlingmonster Ember: *listens
JJ Drinkwater: Second, I see SL as being an extended conversation – A conversation that takes place with images as well as words, but a conversation all the same.
Riven Homewood: I had a dear friend who died – but when I read the novels she wrote, I still hear her voice and feel like I’m with her
Solace Fairlady notes that all the quoted responses were from women
JJ Drinkwater: What the library does for Caledon is give it material to extend the conversation. which is our life here
Simeon Beresford: nods
JJ Drinkwater: Finally I think the library reinforced the community’s identity, by mirroring its interests back to it. …
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Hmm.
Riven Homewood: Oh! Yes, I feel that about the Steelhead Library too
JJ Drinkwater: Exactly, Madame Colleague!
JJ Drinkwater: Any library does that to some extent, but when the community is a community of interest, rather than, say, a geographic community, the library can really give the community a chance to reflect on itself.
Caledonia Skytower: hmmm . . . like a specialized rl collection.
JJ Drinkwater: I asked Miss Serra (Seneschelf of Winterfell, for those who don’t know her) why her realm liked having a library…
JJ Drinkwater: Exactly, Miss Skytower…it’s all Special Collections work here
JJ Drinkwater: and she reminded me that it had started out with a different backstory than, say, the Steelhead Public Library. The backstory was that it was the Seneschelf’s private library, in the Winterfell Castle, which she had graciously opened up to the community.
Riven Homewood: nods
Wildstar Resident: 🙂
JJ Drinkwater: The ever-gracious Seneschelf!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander smiles
JJ Drinkwater: She also had this to say..
Herndon Bluebird: Indeed!
Leslie Weston: well, when you have shelf as part of your title….
KlausWulfenbach Outlander chuckles
Holocluck Henly chuckles
Riven Homewood: smiles
Serra Anansi laughs!!!
Wildstar Resident: :))
JJ Drinkwater: Serra Anansi: I think having a library lends some kind of legitimacy to a community
…that it values many layers of immersion, not just the superficial ones. The fact that there are people who are willing to put in the work to create a library, find staff, host events…. it all adds up and proves that there is a lasting quality to the nation.
Darlingmonster Ember: nods
Solace Fairlady applauds quietly
Wildstar Resident: 🙂
Savannah Blindside: ooh, well said!
Wildstar Resident: well said
Riven Homewood: Miss Serra, may I have the emblazoned over the door of my library>?
Jedburgh30 Dagger claps and smiles at the New Babbage librarian
JJ Drinkwater: So a library is an institution that helps legitimize the community, perhaps. That’s a thought that’s very flattering to a librarian!
Kghia Gherardi: The model of the Caledon Library has expanded beyond the community, and it has become The Alexandrian Free Library System. How does the System differ the Caledon Library?
DM Afarensisr apologizes for jumping on stage… (client troubles)
JJ Drinkwater: Well, the Caledon Library was an experiment that worked. After it had been in existence for about a year and a half, Riven Homewood was inspired to create a similar library in Steelhead – that was when we organized the AFL.
Riven Homewood: That was like magic – it was as if it was meant to happen, so everything conspired to make it so
JJ Drinkwater: It’s a consortium of libraries, and the members support each other with expertise, and by sharing materials. Our first few libraries were in the steamlands: Steelhead, Winterfell, and of course Babbage (and subsequently New Toulouse and Steeltopia) but we welcome any community library that’s willing to share its materials freely
JJ Drinkwater: Each library is a little different in approach, and each fits into its community is a different way.
Charlemagne Allen: how many communities so far?
JJ Drinkwater: I think 8 or so member libraries
Charlemagne Allen: ah
Stereo Nacht: Oooh!
JJ Drinkwater: Plus all the unaffiliated libraries who use the scripts we give away for making books and book givers….one of the things I’m proudest of
Leslie Weston: most excellent resources, sir!
JJ Drinkwater: The AFL goes along pretty quietly, now that it’s established, but we still hear from libraries that want to join.
Darlingmonster Ember: oh good
Kghia Gherardi: Here’s the question I really want to know the answer to:
Kghia Gherardi: What have you learned from your role as the Librarian of Caledon?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: To be a comic book icon?
JJ Drinkwater: In a word, that libraries still matter
Rhianon Jameson grins
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
Linus Lacombe: heh
Kghia Gherardi chuckles
Wildstar Resident throws a knife @ Jed (missing on purpose 😉 )
Saffia Widdershins: The Keeper of Secrets
JJ Drinkwater: I tell my RL colleagues that I’m a cartoon librarian, than they think it means I have a collection of comic books…
Wildstar Resident: LOL
Holocluck Henly: heh
Serra Anansi chuckles
Darlingmonster Ember: grins
KlausWulfenbach Outlander chuckles
Charlemagne Allen: graphic novels, you mean
Charlemagne Allen ducks
Rhianon Jameson: They wouldn’t believe the truth.
Linus Lacombe: A cartoon librarian in a comic, can’t beat that
Savannah Blindside: Either way; instant geek chic
Jedburgh30 Dagger: They can’t handle the truth
JJ Drinkwater: They haven’t any context for what I do here, it’s true
JJ Drinkwater: I was fresh out of library school when I started the library, and I had been taught to think not of books, but of corpora of texts, of information sources….
JJ Drinkwater: …so one of the first things I learned was how much books mean to people, even in a virtual world. I still marvel at that.
JJ Drinkwater: Another thing I learned was how grateful a community of readers is to have someone to whom they can talk about their reading.
JJ Drinkwater: I think that’s a role I play for Caledon…the village reading nerd, in a village full of readers.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Heh.
Rhianon Jameson laughs
Linus Lacombe laughs
Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
Darlingmonster Ember: our hero!
Serra Anansi smiles at her nerd ♥
JJ Drinkwater: Professionally, I’ve learned that there’s a place for librarians in virtual communities, even though most of their members are quite savvy about finding information on their own.
Solace Fairlady: Our Knight!
Kghia Gherardi: To step away from the personal, how do you see virtual libraries evolving in the future?
Riven Homewood: When Rodvik was furnishing his Linden Home, he asked that people send him sl books for it. I sent him two of the Steelhead Public Library’s bookcases, with the wonderful book giver script Sir Zen made, and told him that if he wanted books in a Linden Home he would need them. He IMd me back to thank me for them 🙂
JJ Drinkwater beams
JJ Drinkwater: Well, if we mean libraries without physical books, I think we’ll see a lot more of them in the future….
Charlemagne Allen: do you have any plans to move into opensim? /raises hand
JJ Drinkwater: ..drawing on the great digital text collections like Internet Archive and Hathi Trust for texts, and on other sources like YouTube for audio, video, and other formats.
JJ Drinkwater: This opens up the possibility of each library user having, in effect, their own virtual library, with sources they select and arrange for their own interests.
JJ Drinkwater: We’re not too far from being able to do that now.
Riven Homewood: nods
JJ Drinkwater: I don’t have any plans for OpenSim, myself…the library here keeps me as busy as I’m able to be
JJ Drinkwater: No doubt someone will, though
FynnFirehawk Resident: Question?
JJ Drinkwater: Sure
FynnFirehawk Resident: I am very new so apologies if my question seems out of place, but I am trying to understand. Do you actuall give out copies of real life books? and if so, could you perhaps expand on that? WOuldn’t people just go to the real world source, like Project Gutenbeg?
Riven Homewood: I tried very hard to create a library in BlueMars – Mesh defeated me, and now there seems no point since their format has changed
JJ Drinkwater: We give out full perms copies of books…and, sure, our patrons could go to the sources themselves
JJ Drinkwater: But somehow, what we do, which is find materials of interest to the community, has made the libraries popular
Kghia Gherardi grins at Finn. That is one of the things that surprised me about virtual worlds. People like to have copies in-world, though most will read the material else where.
Riven Homewood: Yes, exactly, Kghia
DM Afarensisr raises hand to ask question
FynnFirehawk Resident: thank you
Linus Lacombe: Books have a meaning as objects in their own right
Charlemagne Allen: why do anything in SL? there’s a nice feeling of tangibility
Kghia Gherardi: sometimes it is the collection that has value over the individual objects within it.
Mel Krupinski: there are many beautiful books created in sl
JJ Drinkwater: Exactly…a targeted collection
DM Afarensisr: Do you see a 3D virtual world like SL potentially replacing the Web and if so then are you efforts here directed at helping to make that come about?
Kghia Gherardi: the interest of an individual will often motivate her to create a collection.
FynnFirehawk Resident: I think I see
Kghia Gherardi: before we open it to the floor, I do have one last question
Riven Homewood: If your rl home is filled with books, you want them in your sl home too
JJ Drinkwater: I think that’s a question we won’t answer for the next five, or maybe 10 years, DM
DM Afarensisr: 🙂
Kghia Gherardi: This is the chance to plug the Library.
Kghia Gherardi: What do you have going on at the Library this summer?
JJ Drinkwater: We’ve just finished up a year-long discussion series on 19th century poetry, and we’re taking a break for a couple of months…
Charlemagne Allen checks water level at library
Simeon Beresford: ah well
JJ Drinkwater: but in August we have a new series starting. It’ll be called “Voices from the Civil War” …
Riven Homewood: The American Civil War, or the British one?
JJ Drinkwater: …which will look at primary sources from the American Civil War, in honor of its sesquicentennial, which began this year.
Riven Homewood: Ah
Jedburgh30 Dagger: The War of Northern Aggression
JJ Drinkwater: Each month we’ll discuss a different first-person account from the war.
Rhianon Jameson grins at Jed
Charlemagne Allen pokes Jedburgh with a stick
JJ Drinkwater: The Civil War is still capable of making people quite passionate, so I’m looking forward to some very lively discussions.
Kghia Gherardi: The first person narratives – they are moving, whichever side of the War the person sided with.
JJ Drinkwater: Also, through the end of this month, we have a wonderful exhibit on social dance
Simeon Beresford: It killed people in the UK.
Leslie Weston blushes
Jedburgh30 Dagger: The Social Dance exhibit is quite good. I highly recommend it.
Leslie Weston: thank you so much Ms. Puchlina
Riven Homewood: It’s wonderful
Leslie Weston: Puchkina!!
Stereo Nacht: The dances kill people?
Jedburgh30 Dagger chuckles
Stereo Nacht looks perplexed…
Riven Homewood: Only if they forget to eat and sleep
Kghia Gherardi: it’s those magic dancing shoes. Dangerous
Victor1st Mornington chuckles
Simeon Beresford: sighs
Linus Lacombe: Sometimes they will kill people from embarassment, if you hit the wrong intan & keep it on random mode
Kghia Gherardi: So, that is the last formal question, but I believe there are some question from the audience?
Leslie Weston: there is a frame on the dangers of waltzing too vigorously….
Leslie Weston: …in really really large skirts…
Jedburgh30 Dagger: If we’re ready for the floor, just raise your hand so we can do this in order
Linus Lacombe has a question:
DM Afarensisr raises hand
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Mr Henly has been waiting patiently
Holocluck Henly: That’s all right 🙂 it was answered.
Charlemagne Allen: the dancing judges with a lever for the alligator pit kill people, not the social dances
Savannah Blindside: Aplogizes for having to duck out early. This was wonderful. Thank you so much.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: DM, then Linus
DM Afarensisr: ok this is a kind of long one…
Riven Homewood: dancing doesn’t kill people, alligators kill people?
DM Afarensisr: do you see your work with the libraries here as more theoretical or applied… that is, is there a question you are trying to answer through your library work or is it about how best to provide information to the community?
JJ Drinkwater: The latter….the experiment has been “What does a library do in a virtual world?”
JJ Drinkwater: In this virtual world, the Caledon Library os one answer…there are many others
Simeon Beresford: I suspect LIke us Sir JJ wonders if an idea will work and trys.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Linus?
Linus Lacombe: Thank you
JJ Drinkwater: There’s been a lot of making it up as we go along, indeed
Linus Lacombe: What kinds of regular programs do the libraries have? You mentioned a couple of specific events of past and future, but what about regular events?
Kghia Gherardi refuses to make eye contact with anyone
Riven Homewood: wb Miss Serra
JJ Drinkwater: Well, our regular evcents right now are the book discussions and the exhibit openings
JJ Drinkwater: And our yearly Bookbinders Ball
Solace Fairlady raises hand
Wildstar Resident: time to go for me … good night all
JJ Drinkwater: We welcome anyone who wants to create other events, and can go the distance to make them happen
Linus Lacombe: Night Captain
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Goodnight Captain
Darlingmonster Ember: waves to Adm Wildstar
Herndon Bluebird: Good night Admiral!
Solace Fairlady: Goodnight Admiral:)
Serra AnansiSerra Anansi dips her head in a nod to Riven “thank you”
Simeon Beresford: Good night ADmiral
Bookworm Hienrichs suspects it’s the latter part that’s the problem.
Kghia Gherardi waves
Bookworm Hienrichs smiles wryly.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Miss Fairlady?
JJ Drinkwater: It is indeed, M~ Heinrichs
Solace Fairlady: Thank you
Solace Fairlady: a follow up of sorts to Mr Lacombes questions
Riven Homewood: Regularly-scheduled events are a very large committment – we’ve tried them at SPL and found people usually start out very willing and then burn out
Solace Fairlady: Given the news at the start of this salon – and without wishing to put your or the libraries on the spot –
JJ Drinkwater‘s experience is much the same as Miss Homewood’s
Solace Fairlady: but as a way of preserving the Independence of the salons we have come to love
Solace Fairlady: would the Library consider becoming their next host?
JJ Drinkwater: Alas, we don’t have the staff time to take on such a committment
Darlingmonster Ember: nod
Solace Fairladynods
JJ Drinkwater suspects that this series has taken a lot of time and energy to create!
Charlemagne Allen: you’ll have to excuse me. being hailed.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander frowns
Charlemagne Allen: great salon today
Charlemagne Allen waves
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Any more questions?
Leslie Weston raises hand
Pip Steamer: aye so it was
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Leslie?
Leslie Weston: Sir Drinkwater, now that your rl commitments have limited the time you once spent in sl, what challenges to you find yourself missing most, about your previous work?
Kghia Gherardi: Mr Drinkwater is passionate about virtual libraries and their role within a community, which makes for a great conversation.
Leslie Weston: were there particular series you loved
JJ Drinkwater: Hmmm….good question, Miss Weston
Leslie Weston: particular library building challenges?
JJ Drinkwater: What I think I miss most is doing the “Book of the Month” exhibits…
Kghia Gherardi nods in agreement
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thank you, Dame Kghia and Sir JJ!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I have to say when I found the Steamlands in 2008 the library in Victoria City was a frequent haunt of mine
Jedburgh30 Dagger: This has been most informative and entertaining
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds enthusiastically.
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
JJ Drinkwater: They were useful to the discussions, but they also allowed visitors to get inside the book, whatever it was…and I always learned a tremendous amount doing them
Jedburgh30 Dagger applauds
Holocluck Henly applauds
Simeon Beresford: yes Indeed
Rhianon Jameson applauds
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Solace Fairlady applauds wildly
Saffia Widdershins applauds
Jedburgh30 Dagger: As a reminder, all tips go to the speakers
DM Afarensisr applauds politely
Herndon Bluebird: APPLAUSE
Solace Fairlady: standing ovation
Simeon Beresford: applauds
JJ Drinkwater beams
Solace Fairlady: Huizzah!!!!
Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
Riven Homewood: applauds and applauds and applauds
Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Kghia Gherardi blushes
Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Serra Anansi applauds
Jedburgh30 Dagger: The donations for the Salon itself is on the sign at the entrance
Stereo Nacht: A… pi, Lady Löwey? X-D
FynnFirehawk Resident: thank you for the information
Darlingmonster Ember: lovely
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Today’s craft was made by Jasper Kiergarten
Annechen Lowey: You’re just now noticing, Captain Stereo?
Rhianon Jameson reluctantly slips out quietly
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Please take a copy
Leslie Weston: a wonderful session, and tragic to hear that the Salon may disband
Kghia Gherardi: what a fabulous looking audience today!
Holocluck Henly: Thank you much!
Leslie Weston: I hope that you will find new blood to take it on
Leslie Weston: farewell, for the present!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I will post transcripts of today’s talk at http://aethersalon.blogspot.com
Solace Fairlady: Thank you Sir JJ for a fabulous presentation
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thank you all, gentle patrons
Darlingmonster Ember: delightful
Stereo Nacht: I never paid attention to what people give, Milady!
JJ Drinkwater: Thank you all for a most stimulating conversation
KlausWulfenbach Outlander snickers quietly at his Liaison
Annechen Lowey chuckles.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Dame Kghia and Sir JJ, thank you both so very much
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Ah, sehr gut. I might need these soon enough.
Annechen Lowey eyebrows.
Mel Krupinski: thanks jj, nice to see you in sl
Solace Fairlady: a beautifully delivered interview, wonderful format dame Kghia
Kghia Gherardi: thank you 🙂
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: There is only so many times one’s eyes can be repaired.
Riven Homewood: What a lovely way to spend an afternoon
Emperor Crumb: Hear hear!
Annechen Lowey: Hm.
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
Solace Fairlady: and many thanks to Mr Kiergarten for the glasses!
Emperor Crumb: What were IN the glasses??
Darlingmonster Ember: my best huzzah to the staff of AetherSalon
Jedburgh30 Dagger: I will convey your thanks
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thank you all
FynnFirehawk Resident: I am sorry I am not dressed appropriatle for here but thank you again for the interestin salon
Darlingmonster Ember curtsies
Solace Fairlady: yes, we shall be berfet without you, thank you for all your hard work and generosity
Annechen Lowey: I am afraid I have another engagement.
Kghia Gherardi: thank you all for coming today
Simeon Beresford: mr Firehawk you were just fine.
Stereo Nacht: Good night Lady Löwey!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gute Nacht, Frau Lowey.
Riven Homewood: I am off – thank you all for a delightful salon – I’m so looking forward to the next one!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Oh yes, Mr Firehawk
Jedburgh30 Dagger: It will be explosive, I am sure
Serra Anansi: So good to see you all, and wonderful interview Dame Kghia!
Darlingmonster Ember: pencils in next month and Dame Ordinal
Jedburgh30 Dagger: August
Riven Homewood: /waves and poofs
Stereo Nacht: Oh! I hope I can make it!
Darlingmonster Ember makes a note
Saffia Widdershins: It was lovely to see you again, Sir JJ and Miss Kghia
Linus Lacombe: Thank you to the organizers!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Don’t forget to take your copy of the craft
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: July is a break then, ja?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Yes, sir
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Fraulein Stereo, I have been told you need to check your Raglan landmark, bitte.
DM Afarensisr: That was a very interesting talk
Stereo Nacht: Oh? I sent the one I got from Mr. Mistral… I’ll double-check it right away, sir.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Sehr gut.
Stereo Nacht: Please excuse me, ladies and gentlemen – duty! 😉
Solace Fairlady: be well Miss Stereo:0
JJ Drinkwater: Farewell, Miss Nacht
Solace Fairlady: Thank you again Sir JJ, Dame Kghia, salonistas all!
Solace Fairlady bobs a curtsey
Bookworm Hienrichs smiles and quietly takes her leave.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Good evening and thanks again
Kghia Gherardi: thank you all
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thanks for coming everyone

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