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Language! With Diogenes Kuhr (Unedited)

Viv Trafalgar: We will begin in just a few moments, allowing people to find their seats
Diogenes Kuhr: oh thank ya, Hon
Kimika Ying: Thank you, Miss Puchkina.
Diogenes Kuhr: hey Sere!
Serenek Timeless: He Dio!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander takes his seat despite the Damen still standing
Viv Trafalgar: welcome back Beq
Serafina Puchkina: Welcome back Miss Janus
Beq Janus: thank you
Viv Trafalgar: Thank you herr Baron
Viv Trafalgar grins
Jedburgh30 Dagger: clears throat
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina, Jasper and I are pleased to welcome you to the May edition of the Aether Salon – Language!. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. We have been doing so since October ’08. This is our 26th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. We have been doing so since October ’08. This is our 26th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. For the consideration of your neighbors, please refrain from using or deploying any weapons, unregistered particle accelerators, or any summoning rituals not previously approved by the Aether Salon staff. Your cooperation is appreciated.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Viv Trafalgar fans herself
Serafina Puchkina applauds
MaddoxSinclaire Resident applauds
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Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon: We are grateful to Miss Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the wonderful salon chairs and to our own Mr. Jasper Kiergarten for his expertise in creating today’s craft. We appreciate all of you who have contributed to salon. As a reminder, all speakers’ fund jar donations go directly to the speaker.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to Mr Kiergarten for the introduction of today’s speaker
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Jasper?
Viv Trafalgar applauds Miss Dagger
Jasper Kiergarten: Thank you!
Jasper Kiergarten: It is my great pleasure and privilege to introduce today’s speaker.
Everest Piek: Hachoo!
Everest Piek: Hachoo!
Everest Piek: Hachoo!
Kimika Ying: applauds
Jasper Kiergarten: Diogenes Kuhr has been mucking around in SL since 2005, mostly in sims with historical or literary themes.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gesundheit.
Viv Trafalgar: (bless you Everest)
Jasper Kiergarten: Drawing on a rl background that includes experience in living history and theater, she has enjoyed developing and playing characters for various communities over the years, ranging from Queen Elizabeth I to a PTSD-stricken former auror-turned-librarian at Hogwarts.
Bookworm Hienrichs smiles at the ‘mucking around’ phrase.
Jasper Kiergarten: At present she is literally “unstuck in time” flitting in a most irresponsible manner between an ancient Roman resort town, a crappy working-class neighborhood in Weimar-era Berlin, and a charming little principality in 18th century Italy.
Jasper Kiergarten: She periodically writes about this foolishness on her blog, “The Ephemeral Frontier,” though lately she simply hasn’t had a lot to say.
Jasper Kiergarten: Please join me in welcoming Miss Diogenes Kuhr
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
Serafina Puchkina applauds
Rhianon Jameson applauds
Viv Trafalgar Applauds enthusiastically and with gusto
Kimika Ying: applauds
MaddoxSinclaire Resident applauds
Kghia Gherardi applauds
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Diogenes Kuhr: how do, y’all
Diogenes Kuhr: thank you Viv, Jasper, Jed, and Sera.
Diogenes Kuhr: it’s a plesure to be here
Diogenes Kuhr: and an honr to have been asked
Diogenes Kuhr: the followin mind-numbing bout of personal pontification you are about to be subjected to…
Viv Trafalgar chuckles
Diogenes Kuhr: is something I have entitled;
Diogenes Kuhr: Wordplay: Enhancing the immersion experience through creative use of language
Diogenes Kuhr: Second life is a remarkably useful platform that brings together a broad range of tools for creative self expression.
Diogenes Kuhr: Some of these tools–the lowly prim, the noble sculpty, the mystical (and perhaps mythical), mesh, as well as the beloved texture and other elements that the Lindens have provided to us–are elements incorporated into the technology of the platform itself.
Diogenes Kuhr: But other tools–tools that arguably are even more important than the technology-based ones–are brought on to the platform by its users….
Tesla Tripsa: Eeek! sorry I have to run. I look forward to the transcript.
Viv Trafalgar: thank you for coming Tesla
Diogenes Kuhr: …that would be Us…
Kghia Gherardi applauds “Us”
Diogenes Kuhr: and our creativity, our ideas, our ability to form and build collaborative and cooperative relationships, our skills at conceptualizing the possible and working out how to achieve things for which there are no tutorials, our desire to develop shared narratives…
Diogenes Kuhr: …and our language.
Diogenes Kuhr: how many of us, just love to play with words?
MaddoxSinclaire Resident raises her hand
Viv Trafalgar thinks… “yes, but they always break.”
Ixmal Supermarine: me!
Rhianon Jameson laughs
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Words are great fun to play with.
Relish Resident: I love words
Eressea Karsin raises her hand.
Diogenes Kuhr: hehe, I’m guessing pretty much most , if not all the folks in this room…
KlausWulfenbach Outlander chuckles
Everest Piek: yepp
Diogenes Kuhr: As much as I love fiddling about with making textures, and bashing prims (mostly rectangles due to my limited skills in such matters) into something that vaguely resembles an object or structure I pictured in my imagination…
Diogenes Kuhr: …what I really love doing in SL is playing with words.
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
Diogenes Kuhr: Hey you know what?
Diogenes Kuhr: Yesterday was Dio’s rez-day.
Viv Trafalgar cheers
Viv Trafalgar: happy rezday!
Serafina Puchkina: Yay!
MaddoxSinclaire Resident applauds!
Jasper Kiergarten: yay
Viv Trafalgar cheers
Viv Trafalgar: happy rezday!
Serafina Puchkina: Yay!
MaddoxSinclaire Resident applauds!
Jasper Kiergarten: yay
Diogenes Kuhr: Her typist actually has been in SL since 2004, but six years ago I elected to create the avatar who has evolved into the character known as Dio Kuhr….and her other eventual permutations, such as:
Eressea Karsin: Ack! I didn’t get you anything!
Eressea Karsin is a bad former student.
Diogenes Kuhr: Diogenes Pentheseila Kuhr, a former auror with PTSD who became head librarian in the Hogwarts of a future speculative version of the world of Harry Potter;
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((I love that, btw))
Diogenes Kuhr: Diogenes Aurelia Kuhr, a down-on-her-luck confederate widow who worked to become a successful entrepreneur and community leader in Deadwood during the Black Hills Gold Rush of the 1870s;
Diogenes Kuhr: and Diogeneia, Freifrau von Kühr, an impecunious and extremely minor member of the German rural nobility who has settled in an imaginary (but historically plausible) little principality in 18th century southern Italy…
Diogenes Kuhr: …and through my years in SL, there has been a key tool I have used in developing these characters…
Diogenes Kuhr: …in creating an impression of who they are and how they think and feel, as well as outward manifestations their imagined backstories (which tend to be a jumble of pure fancy, historical research, my own life experiences and miscellaneous narrative bits and bobs I’ve read or heard from various sources)….
Everest Piek: language?
Diogenes Kuhr: hehe, don’t get ahead of me, hon
Diogenes Kuhr: That essential tool was not clothing or shape or skin or various prim accessories (such as Jasper’s exquisite historical firearms)–although all those things are necessary and jolly well fun to play with in assembling the total package…
Diogenes Kuhr: ..no, the most important part of developing and deploying your character, and refining and expressing the persona and personality of that character, has been through language:
Jasper Kiergarten: kicks the ground bashfully
Diogenes Kuhr: yes, Ev, you hit the nail on the head
Ixmal Supermarine: bashes the ground kickfully
Diogenes Kuhr: Vocabulary, style, syntax and narrative structure…in effect, “voice”
Diogenes Kuhr: No, not THAT Voice…
Everest Piek nods
Viv Trafalgar: haha
Kghia Gherardi: the voices in my head?
Eressea Karsin pats the ground affectionately, “It’s okay… not all the little people beat on you.”
Diogenes Kuhr: When I say “voice” I don’t mean SL Voice, I mean your WRITING voice. Here’s a dandy little explanation of it which I cobbed from a web site called “Teaching That Makes Sense ( http://www.ttms.org/writing_quality/voice.htm ):
KlausWulfenbach Outlander chuckles
Diogenes Kuhr: “Everyone’s writing needs to be different from everyone else’s. And the only way that happens is if writers make different choices when they write, choices about the topics they pick, the words they use, the details they include, different beginning and ending strategies, and so on.
Diogenes Kuhr: The set of all the different choices a writer’s makes determines, and the collective effect they have on the reader, is what is often called the “voice” in a piece of writing. Voice, sometimes referred to as “tone” or “mood” or even “style,” tells the reader about the writer’s personality in the piece.
Rhianon Jameson nods
Diogenes Kuhr: Because each of us has a unique personality, each of us has a unique voice in writing, and that is what makes our writing unique. The trick is in letting that voice come through.
Diogenes Kuhr: And the only way that happens is if we make different choices in our writing than other writers make in theirs, choices that reflect who we are inside — our original thoughts and personal feelings, our particular way of seeing things and interpreting them — and writing it all down.”
Diogenes Kuhr: I thought that summed it up pretty well…better than I could have said it
Diogenes Kuhr: So I have thought about how I write the dialog and emotes for my characters with an eye towards generating a distinctive, identifiable and unique “voice” for each of them.
Diogenes Kuhr: And yes, it is always in typed chat. In part because it works better for this purpose, but also because, in fact, I loathe SL voice…
Diogenes Kuhr: I always found it unreliable (though that may just be me being a recovering cyber-luddite). But more importantly, I think its use can detract from the impressions and moods that we are trying to create in our collectively-imagined immersion environments.
Diogenes Kuhr: Plus, if I used voice, you would undoubtedly then realize that I am not the Dio Kuhr character I have tried to foster and present, and whom you have undoubtedly pictured in your mind…
Diogenes Kuhr: …but am in fact, an elderly, androgynous alien from a bellicose planet in the vicinity of what you call Antares, and I am here working towards the eventual overthrow of your…oh wait….
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander grins ironically
Rhianon Jameson giggles
Eressea Karsin: Dio!
Diogenes Kuhr: I probably shouldn’t have put that in open chat, should I?
MaddoxSinclaire Resident chuckles
Viv Trafalgar laughs
Diogenes Kuhr: Never mind.
Rhianon Jameson: Your secret is safe…oh, who am I kidding
Diogenes Kuhr: Oy, I’m glad I didn’t say anything about Golden Corral and how that’s another part of the overall strategy, generating a ready supply of humans who’ve been fattened up nicely for…um…oh
Everest Piek: err…what’s an aöien?
Simeon Beresford: a startling revalation
MaddoxSinclaire Resident laughs again
Everest Piek grins sheepishyly
Diogenes Kuhr: Goddamnit.
Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Good thing there aren’t any Golden Corrals where I live!))
Diogenes Kuhr: None of you are writing this down are you?
Serenek Timeless thinks Dio is participating in some SL region she hasn’t told us about yet.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((They closed ours. XD))
Viv TrafalgarViv Trafalgar covers the urchins ears
Kghia Gherardi: the name does hint, doesn’t it?
Diogenes Kuhr: By the way, an aspect of the voice that I seek to give to all my characters, in case you hadn’t noticed, is humor. Or at least an attempt at it.
Everest Piek: errr
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Very well played.
Diogenes Kuhr: I enjoy surprising people and hopefully getting them to smile and not take all this cocktwaddle way so seriously and…Oh hell, who am I trying to kid? I’m mostly just doing this nonsense in order to entertain myself. If anyone else gets some amusement out if it, that’s just gravy….
Diogenes Kuhr: …anyway, I digress…as usual…
Everest Piek slowly pushes away the hands holding his head
Diogenes Kuhr: The fact is, if behooves us to choose how we write our dialog just as carefully as we build our shapes and choose our skins and clothing, and craft our streetscapes and structures.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident gives her a thumbs up gesture
Everest Piek: would you please take your hands off me?
Kghia Gherardi suspects this entire lectures is an excuse to use the word “cocktwaddle”
Diogenes Kuhr: We are collectively building environments in which we want to allow our imaginations to take us away into a different reality of time and/or place…
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((lol))
Diogenes Kuhr: Inappropriate choices in vocabulary and syntax–not to mention details–can shatter the illusion for others…but when we chose wisely, we can actually reinforce the sense of immersion and of being in a different time and place for ourselves as well as those around us.
Diogenes Kuhr: For example, let’s take an Old West environment. How do we make our language reinforce the sense of that distinctive time and place?
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Use of dialect and proper weaponry.
Diogenes Kuhr: Well, at the very least, a good place to start is to not use modern terminology and slang.
Doctor Obolensky: By using “Bonanza” and “Wild Wild West” as our guide?
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((HAHHAHA))
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((You forgot Gunsmoke.))
Diogenes Kuhr: modernisms can be as much of a mood killer as the saloon girl doing a pole dance to Duran Duran
Serenek Timelesss wonders whether “cockwaddle” is an old west term.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: To was?
Diogenes Kuhr: and yeah…I have seen that..
Diogenes Kuhr: though I am still trying to get the memeory out of head…
Rhianon Jameson: Heh
Viv Trafalgar: and now so are we all Miss Dio
Eressea Karsin: Yeah… thanks, Dio!
Diogenes Kuhr: hey, when I hurt, you hurt…
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: I’m of the mind to find that saloon dancer and smack her.
Bookworm Hienrichs gets out the brain bleach.
Eressea Karsin facepalms, then goes looking for her skull saw.
Diogenes Kuhr: ok, so avoiding verbal anacrhonisms is a place to start…
Diogenes Kuhr: From there, you can look at literary sources like Mark Twain, and period letters and newspapers to get an idea of how people back then put their sentences together and chose the words they used.
Heim Ormenthal wonders what is this sornettes coq.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: I can help with skull saws.
Simeon Beresford: Yes i would put her across my knee!
Diogenes Kuhr: As for details, you can do research in advance–or for that matter, as you go along. I’m frequently popping into a window to google various things even as I am in a conversation. This a key strategy for finding authentic and appropriate detail that can be used as the dialog develops, and helps ensure the avodiance of avoiding anachronisms.
Diogenes Kuhr: For example as I am “talking” with someone, I might suddenly wonder if anyone in the 19th century actually used the phrase “to face the music.”
Diogenes Kuhr: If I just do a quick google run, I can learn that yes, they did–with a recorded instance as early as 1834–and then plug it into my next sentence.
Diogenes Kuhr: Furthermore, you can access lists of old west and civil war-era slang that you draw on to give your dialogue a increased element of verismo, as well as making clear that the action and discussion IS taking place in a different time and place.
Diogenes Kuhr: When someone uses the word “skedaddle” in a sentence, it’s a pretty good indication that their world-view is probably not a particularly modern one.
Doctor Obolensky raises his hand
Diogenes Kuhr: And yeah, it’s fun and it’s a learning experience. I am utterly convinced that a lot of educational activity takes place in SL all the time…
Diogenes Kuhr: get ready for yet anothr digression folks…
Eressea Karsin: But Dio, you’ve used skeda… nevermind.
Diogenes Kuhr: …but very little of it is going on in the “educational sims” where traditional teaching institutions mostly seem determined to force the square peg of traditional teaching methodology into the round hole of the SL platform.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Always a good idea to remember the dialect and language you chose for your character as well.. such as if you said they are French…
Diogenes Kuhr: No, from my observations I have concluded that the most extensive and successful educational experiences come through what some of us have taken to calling “self-directed cooperative learning.”
Diogenes Kuhr: What that means is that in places like Deadwood, Alisum, Versailles, Roma, or 1920s Berlin, the members of the communities in those sims encourage and inspire each other to learn all manner of things on their own, to read good books and see interesting films, to share their information and understanding as they progress.
Diogenes Kuhr: And there is reinforcement of that learning through our play.
Serenek Timeless: Not to mention in Babbage and the Aether Salon.
Diogenes Kuhr: But I’m getting off the track a bit here….
Diogenes Kuhr: Let’s go back to our example of creating a character for an Old West mining town. You think about your character…what kind of education did they have, what kind of books did they read, what were there experiences growing up..and how would that shape how they “speak?”
Diogenes Kuhr: Let’s take the case of Dio Kuhr, a middle-aged, ex-ranch wife and confederate widow who grew up on the edge of the commancheria, in a grim part of west-central Texas, raised by her grandfather (a former mountain man).
Everest Piek: errr
Everest Piek: dio?
Diogenes Kuhr: She did learn to read, but only had access to three books while growing up (a volume of Shakespeare, part of a King James Bible, and a translation of the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius).
Eressea Karsin: Damned scary with a shootin’ iron the old lady was.
Diogenes Kuhr: So what would she sound like?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Someone who would know what a Booshway is
Everest Piek: could you please go a tad slower?
Darlingmonster Ember: rather formal
Diogenes Kuhr: Based on how I pictured her background and experiences, I determined to give her a mixture of formality and down-to-earthiness.
Viv Trafalgar: probably nothing like Doc O
Darlingmonster Ember: nods
Diogenes Kuhr: And when say ‘down-to-earth, ” that means she could out-cuss any man in Deadwood, BUT in a form of cussing that was based on 19th century cursing as recorded in Mark Twain’s “Life on the Mississippi.”
Rhianon Jameson laughs
Everest Piek: i cant follow you on that speed
Diogenes Kuhr: Of course, Twain–while he captured the essential structure of the artform–had to scale back on the actual vocabulary he employed in order to make the dang book publishable.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: More than likely a bit more formal than everyone else on a ranch, but not formal enough to dine with the Queen of England.
Diogenes Kuhr: So I would take that structure, along with a selection of some of Twain’s vocabulary, and mash it up with colloquialisms from the slang lists…
Darlingmonster Ember: :
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
Diogenes Kuhr: …as well as ideas gleaned from various collections of Shakespearean quotes (mostly insults)–remember, two of the books Dio learned to read from were her Papaw’s volume of Shakespeare and the part of the King James Bible he hadn’t burned.
Kghia Gherardi: I take it she is not indulging in Ian McShane’s version of Deadwood cursing. 🙂
Diogenes Kuhr: and yeah it’s long story about why Papaw done felt compelled to incinerate a portion of the Good Book
Simeon Beresford: He Burned IT!
Diogenes Kuhr: so we shall save that for another time…
Diogenes Kuhr: anyhow
Diogenes Kuhr: I would also take some naughty bits obtained from various “dictionaries of mid-19th century profanity” which have been assembled online, mostly for the benefit of living history practitioners and re-enactors…
Diogenes Kuhr: And yes, while the preferred swear words in 19th century America addressed issues of faith and damnation, scatological and sexual references were used as well (though arguably they reflected more of a coarseness than the fearsome inappropriateness of swear words drawn from religious issues).
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((Do you have links for that?))
Diogenes Kuhr: So putting all these elements together, the result could end up being something like this:
Viv Trafalgar: … also taking cues from President Andrew Jackson’s parrot, Miss Dio?
Jedburgh30 Dagger: ((I do Maddox 🙂 ))
Eressea Karsin covers her ears.
Darlingmonster Ember braces
Diogenes Kuhr: you may now cover the child’s ears again, agin Miz T…
Rhianon Jameson takes out a notepad and pen
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((Cool, thanks. I have a feeling I may need them))
Diogenes Kuhr: “Well, then, ye feckless, dog-hearted sonofabitch, are ye intendin’ t’ face the music, or shall ye skeddale after all? Christ’s bootlaces! I swear y’ain’t half the fuckin’ sojer my Jack an’ his pards was back in their day…I reckon they coulda damned well shat a better man than the likes o’ you after their mornin’ cuppa buffalo sweat…sweet Jeezus an’ his horn-blowin’ host, it would seem I’ve no goddamn course but to correct the situation m’self…and so I shall…yes, so I fuckin’ well shall, ye tin-plated, mud-eating puke…”
Viv Trafalgar looks around for urchins to ear-cover
Viv Trafalgar: GOODNESS
Rhianon Jameson fans herself
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((Lovely! I like it!))
Eressea Karsin doesn’t cover her ears /well/ of course.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident takes out her little battered journal to take more notes.
Diogenes Kuhr: I don’t know about you, but for me, that was fun. Of course, this example represents an elaborate effort which took some preparation and forethought (for a character like Dio, it never hurts to have an arsenal of insults and historically plausible profanities close to hand–I actually made lists and kept them on a notecard for possible use).
Darlingmonster Ember blushes
Diogenes Kuhr: Yes, it required a certain amount of work …but the impact it achieved made the effort worthwhile:
KlausWulfenbach Outlander raises an eyebrow
Diogenes Kuhr: one bad guy in Dodge City who I hit with something similar to the above just sat there for a minute and then commented…
Diogenes Kuhr: “I think my ears are bleeding.”
Viv Trafalgar: hee.
Darlingmonster Ember: heh
Rhianon Jameson laughs
Diogenes Kuhr: Which I took as a compliment.
Eressea Karsin snickers.
Darlingmonster Ember: oh yes
Darlingmonster Ember: nods
Diogenes Kuhr: But the key thing is that the text I generated was appropriate for the character.
Diogenes Kuhr: Obviously, if your character is a Quaker school teacher from a middle-class family in Boston, her vocabulary would be different–but the syntax might end up being somewhat remarkably similar. There would be a certain level of formality in the structure of the sentences being used.
Diogenes Kuhr: Actually that’s a good rule of thumb for a great many historical and literary-themed sims–even if you don’t have an extensive grasp of the vocabulary and many of the cultural details to draw upon, you can still achieve a great deal by simply ‘speaking” in a more formal, carefully structured voice than what we customarily do in a modern context.
Diogenes Kuhr: It is a standard thing many of us do to create an impression of being part of a different culture. It’s kind of analogous to how in the movies, ancient romans always seem to have British accents…
Everest Piek: PLEASE
Viv Trafalgar: hahaha
Diogenes Kuhr: Nonetheless, I very much encourage the research into vocabulary. It’s enlightening from a self-education perspective, it helps enhance the immersion environment, and hey, it’s fun having a more diverse inventory of nuts and bolts in your literary tool box…
Everest Piek: A TAD SLOWER!
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((heh, noticed that, have ye? Or how the King of France was a Brit?))
Diogenes Kuhr: …like being able to now then pull out and use a term like “temptation bumps” (a lovely Civil War-era slang term for female breasts which I found in an actual letter written by a Union soldier).
Rhianon Jameson blushes
Diogenes Kuhr: And such an approach is of course, not limited to something like an Old West sim,
Ixmal Supermarine: latest one ]Eagle of the 9th] the Romans talk American…
Doctor Obolensky: ((That’s going to end up as someone’s display name, just watch))
Simeon Beresford: Oh dear how unlike my dear partner
Diogenes Kuhr: yeah Doc, but you figure that “temptation ” will be mispelled and followed by a number
Kghia Gherardi raises an eyebrow at Mr Beresford
Darlingmonster Ember: snerks
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((Don’t tempt me, Doc. lol It would be funny))
Diogenes Kuhr: … whether you are trying to develop a character for to use in an 18th century royal court, or the trenches of the western front in WWI, or a slum in Weimar era Germany, there are so many wonderful sources to be drawn upon…
Diogenes Kuhr: …for that matter, just reading books from the particular culture and place you are going to be playing in will make a world of difference in your own head, and that translates into a more interesting experience.
Diogenes Kuhr: I think similar ideas apply to futuristic and literary themed immersion environments as well.
Diogenes Kuhr: It’s simply that the sources you draw upon are going to be of a different nature. But whatever sources you utilize it will make a difference in your ability to interact.
Diogenes Kuhr: Our social give-and-take in the immersion environment sims of SL represent a sort of improvisational theater experience, in which we are all both actors and audience…
Diogenes Kuhr: especially when the style of roleplay is a form of what is commonly called “real-time interactive” style (as opposed to RP lite or Paragraphing).
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: (( I play on a message board that’s set in Hell. Our gm asks that we be inventive with our curses because demons and fallen can do better than just “damn it”))
Viv Trafalgar is less familiar with Paragraphing
Diogenes Kuhr: To be prepared for fully and creatively participating in that give-and-take, it is helpful to have done some preparation in advance, to draw from your sources in order to fill your intellectual tool box so the responses and comments can come forth quickly and naturally.
Diogenes Kuhr: “Ok,” you say, “that’s all well and good, but Miz Dio, I don’t do roleplay–what does any of this have to do with me?”
Kghia Gherardi offers the 1811 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5402)
Diogenes Kuhr: I am glad you asked that question.
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
Diogenes Kuhr: To some extent, we all can–and do– create a character or series of characters in-world. We can choose to speak in certain ways and choose our words so as to convey clues about who are..or who we would like to be.
Diogenes Kuhr: Communication lies at the heart of so much of what we do in SL. Forming communities, encouraging each other to learn and understand…to just have fun with other people
Diogenes Kuhr: …we have to communicate as effectively as we can and in as many ways as we can.
Diogenes Kuhr: Even when we are communicating in parallel to SL through blogs and forums, we are doing so with a certain ‘voice” that has been chosen–or evolved–in order to convey a certain perspective and set of values.
Diogenes Kuhr: Whether it is my version of Dio Kuhr writing on “The Ephemeral Frontier,” or someone like Prokofy Neva, Crap Mariner, Ordinal Malaprop, Headburro Antfarm, or Emilly Orr on their blogs–
Diogenes Kuhr: -we are all more or less characters, each of which has been crafted to communicate with a distinctive voice.
Diogenes Kuhr: Even though our blogging personas may, to a greater or lesser degree, be a reflection of the personas of the actual individual typists–we are all to some extent fabrications, which express a point of view through how we choose to write, as well as what we choose to write.
Diogenes Kuhr: So if communication lies at the heart of so many of the things that we are doing in SL, then should we be concerned about things that may perhaps stand in the way of communication, rather than facilitate it?
Diogenes Kuhr: For example, dialects: Well that’s a balancing act. Yes I can make my dialect so thick that it becomes impenetrable. In some circumstances when I was doing a character with a dialect, and I found myself trying to interact with non-native speakers of English, I would tend to “tone down” the dialect a bit.
Diogenes Kuhr: I have been told that Dio’s southern/rural speech patterns (combined with my natural tendency to make enough typos for six avatars) has made smoke come out of some people’s translators…
Diogenes Kuhr: ….so I don’t even want to speculate about what full blown jäger-speak does to those folks. but that’s another issue entirely…
MaddoxSinclaire Resident chuckles
Viv Trafalgar coughs and looks to her left
Diogenes Kuhr: …and yeah, I know I said that I do this silly stuff mostly for my own amusement….but if you are going to try to be a part of a community, I think you have a responsibility to try to make a certain level of adjustments in order to be a functional participant in that community.
KlausWulfenbach Outlanderr laughs
MaddoxSinclaire Resident chuckles
Diogenes Kuhr: It like the issue of “paragraphing” as a style of rp. We all have a right to do our thing and to do it the way we most enjoy. Some people really enjoy doing roleplay in the form of long paragraphs with extensive descriptions of actions, emotions, and narrative detail….
Darlingmonster Ember: heh
Diogenes Kuhr: But when you write something like:
Simeon Beresford: may I suggest http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/info as a useful Vade Mecum.
Diogenes Kuhr: “It is a dark and stormy night, but the Countess Foofalottaca Jones has braved the weather and now she pauses in the doorway of the smelly, crowded, casino, scanning the opulent, smoke-filled room, looking eagerly for the thick-necked, small-headed man in the yellow pantaloons, whom she had met on that Genoese ship sailing from Corsica to Naples. ‘Or was it from Sardinia?’ she thinks to herself, her mind briefly pierced by her doubts about her deteriorating memory which has periodically afflicted her ever since that chocolate cart and sedan-char accident in Brussels. Then, as she stands there beneath the flaking gold leaf of the sumptuous door frame, her nostrils flaring at the wafting scent of the dreadful little canapés made from the big fish the Neapolitans call the ‘baccala,’ the Countess suddenly feels a burning sensation in a place that most women of her station in life do not like to think about, let alone feel something going on down there, and she immediately concludes that last night’s
Diogenes Kuhr: casual liaison after the gondoliers’ annual award banquet was perhaps not such a good idea after all. The pin-headed man in the hideous yellow pantaloons is now the least of her concerns.”
Viv Trafalgar: gahh
Rhianon Jameson: Oh my.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: ouch
Eressea Karsin: Blah blah blah… What was that, Dio?
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: That is way too verbose.
Everest Piek: err…cool…NOT
Darlingmonster Ember: oh dear….. is that ‘paragraphing’?
KlausWulfenbach Outlander coughs politely
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Little chunks, should have better picked descriptions to shorten it…
Doctor Obolensky: As much as I hate to use intenet speak. “TL;DR”
Kimika Ying: tosses a paragraph into the room and escapes under cover of the smoke
Darlingmonster Ember takes a discreet swig of brandy to get the taste from her mouth
Diogenes Kuhr: yeah…and if people have their typing anim turned off, more than likely the person you;re talking to wanders off before your done…
Diogenes Kuhr: Now look, I’m not saying we should totally eschew that type of writing. It has its place. But in the context of developing communities on the platform, it is perhaps best to find like-minded players who will not wander off while you are crafting this kind of work.
Eressea Karsin: That’s a particularly grevious example of paraposting combined with thoughtposting, doubleplusungood!
Diogenes Kuhr: It is fine to indulge what you like to do and how you like to do it in terms of writing, but it should be appropriate for the circumstances.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((chuckles at the 1984 reference))
Diogenes Kuhr: In short, mixing styles too much will result in confusion and frustration.
Diogenes Kuhr: But enough of that. Let’s go back to the positive aspects of creatively using language…
Diogenes Kuhr: …of playing with words.
Darlingmonster Ember tilts her ears forward
Diogenes Kuhr: The appropriate application of well chosen vocabulary, syntax and yes, even dialect can add to the impression of place and time that infuses a sim.
Diogenes Kuhr: Fit what you say and how you say it to the context, and the entire experience for you and for the other members of the community will be substantially enhanced.
Diogenes Kuhr: thank you
Viv Trafalgar grins
Rhianon Jameson applauds enthusiastically
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
MaddoxSinclaire Resident applauds as well
Serenek Timeless: Thank you Dio.
Serafina Puchkina applauds
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Viv Trafalgar: Lovely Miss Dio! Thank you.
Serafina Puchkina: Wonderful!
Eressea Karsin grins.
Fred Ronzales: [·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´] <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: wonderful <b>Bookworm Hienrichs</b> applauds. <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: bravo <b>Kghia Gherardi</b> applauds! <b>Kimika Ying</b>: stands and applauds! <b>Eressea Karsin</b>: It's almost like being back in class... :) <b>Ixmal Supermarine</b>: offers an insult generator: http://www.renfaire.com/Language/insults.html <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Folks we'll take questions. If you have one for the (very brave, very eloquent) speaker, please IM me. <b>Simeon Beresford</b>: thank you! an Exceptional Exposition <b>Bookworm Hienrichs</b> chuckles. <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Darlingmonster has the first question, please <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: oh <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: thank you M Trafalgar <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: M Diogeneia, I found that very lovely <b>Eressea Karsin</b>: Erp... I'll stop bothering my Miss Dio in IM so she can pay attention to all you. :) <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: and I want to share one thing, you may find agreeable <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: ok Hon, shoot <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: it is a trick I use, to sometimes draw someone back from the modern to the formal or genre <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: or some such <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: sorry about whisper <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: did you catch? <b>Jedburgh30 Dagger</b>: no <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: I'm not sure if that made it to the stage <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: bother <b>KlausWulfenbach Outlander</b>: I heard it. <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: yes that is a common tactic often used by interpretive staff in living history museums, like Plimouth Plantation... <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: it is a trick I use, to sometimes draw someone back from the modern to the formal or genre <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b> whispers: I ask a question: and let them do a teaching for me, basically I ask "what do you mean when you say... 'sorry capt she can't take no more'" <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: ahah <b>Rhianon Jameson</b>: Shhh, Miss Ember - don't let everyone onto that trick. :) <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b> smiles <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Next question/comment from Doc O - please <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: ow chat lag, sorry <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: This is related to our own little setting here. <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: As tied as we are to outlandinsh mechanical creations....people have a bad habit of calling them "robots" <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: Which is a word that wasn't coined until 1920. <b>Viv Trafalgar</b> looks confused at the term <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: ah <b>KlausWulfenbach Outlander</b>: Clanks, ja? <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: nods <b>Clockwork Hellershanks</b> coughs. <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: clanks <b>Rhianon Jameson</b>: 1920 is a bit of a distance away <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Do you have a question, Doc, or are you suggesting a weapon to use on such phrases? <b>Rhianon Jameson</b> laughs <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: No, I'm just suggesting that people watch for things like that, if they're trying to stay immersed. <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: excellent suggestion. <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Miss Sinclaire is up next <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: well taking Darlingmonster's trick into play, you might respond..."hmmm robot? interesting ...might make a good name for the automatons...someday" <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: hah <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: I like the sharing of 'tools' to improve the exchange <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: nods <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: There's a lot of jargon that's associated with Psychiatry and Psychology... and not lots of it was known about in the 1880s.... what kind fo research should I be doing for that? <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: It's not as if the problems of the mind weren't around, there were just some that had no name. <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: vapors.... humors <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: or were called things like " melancholy" <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: hysteria <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: "Lunatic". :P <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: So using the old names for things that they shouldn't understand? <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: science literally still held 'humors' to be metaphysical I believe <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: well sometimes when you use vocabulary that someone might not understand you can employ the writers trick of including definition in your statement <b>Simeon Beresford</b>: nostalgia was a common afflication of soldiers <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: "poor Foofalottica, ever since the gondoliers awrds, she has been in a deep melancholy, you know a sort of inexplicvable sadness that she cannot seem to shake" <b>Doctor Obolensky</b>: ((You can also claim credit for things yourself. "He's got a bad case of Sinclairitonia")) <b>Rhianon Jameson</b> nods <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: hahhahaaa <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: Perhaps I can also say that she's writing a paper on the subject to dig deeper into the problem than just what everyone calls it. Maddox is truly insatiable when it comes to research ^^ <b>Simeon Beresford</b>: and a number of other problems of min have dissapeared lunatics no longer assume the postures of saints and matyrs. <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: but as for sources, I think you have a great research proejct on your hands there... <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>: which is my way of saying, I've got no dang idea <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: I suppose I'll have to research 1880s psychiatry terms. And start from there. <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: :) <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: we can take another question or two <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: and Jasper will be putting out the fine craft - a dictionary! <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b>: aaah <b>Darlingmonster Ember</b> uses a handkerchief on the slight drool at the mention of dictionary <b>MaddoxSinclaire Resident</b>: Thank you, MIss Jed. Looking it up now <b>Viv Trafalgar</b>: Ladies and gentlemen, please give a hand to our amazing speaker for today, Miss <b>Diogenes Kuhr</b>. <b>Bookworm Hienrichs</b> applauds. <b>Eressea Karsin</b> claps loudly. <b>Rhianon Jameson</b> applauds <b>Kghia Gherardi</b> applauds <b>KlausWulfenbach Outlander</b> applauds <b>Rhianon Jameson</b>: Thank you, Miz Dio <b>Doctor Obolensky</b> applauds heartily. "Well done." <b>Serenek Timeless</b>: *•.¸'*•.¸ ♥ ¸.•*´¸.•* <b>Serenek Timeless</b>: .•*♥¨• BRAVO!!!! •¨♥*•. <b>Serenek Timeless</b>: ¸.•*¸.•´ ♥ *•.¸•.¸
Serafina Puchkina applauds wildly — but politely
Fred Ronzales: ♫♪♪♫ APPLAUSE!!! ♫♪♪♫
Diogenes Kuhr: hey Jed, that’s a good diea..I bet there are other museums that that address care of mental disorders inthe 19th cenruy and they would have things ontheir web sites to help guide you in a research direction
Viv Trafalgar: Next month’s speakers will be Dame Kghia Gerardi and Sir JJ Drinkwater
Darlingmonster Ember applauds
Fred Ronzales: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
MaddoxSinclaire Resident appaluds
Diogenes Kuhr: thanks, y’all
Diogenes Kuhr: it’s been fun
Viv Trafalgar: (please feel free to stay on and talk)
Viv Trafalgar: (I’ll be giving the speaker’s fund jar to Dio in 1 minute)
Viv Trafalgar: It’s been great having you visit Dio –
Viv Trafalgar: where can people find you these days
Darlingmonster Ember: very nice
oh that will always happen, Doc
Rhianon Jameson smiles in sympathy at poor Doc O’s typist
Viv Trafalgar: Yes, doc – that’s a huge problem
Darlingmonster Ember: you are so good at it
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Yes, I have that too.
Darlingmonster Ember smiles
Doctor Obolensky: Doc needs to wear disguises more often, so I can get out my accents.
Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
Viv Trafalgar nods
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Or people not bothering as introduce themselves to you and just using the name above your head,lol
Viv Trafalgar: That’s a little tougher, especially with lag –
Viv Trafalgar: It’s also hard to know Miss/Mr/Creature
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: In Rp, it’s just sort of a no-no, the way I learned it.
Viv Trafalgar: when all you see is a puffy cloud
Clockwork Hellershanks: I am called Mister at least once a day.
Viv Trafalgar chuckles
MaddoxSinclaire Resident chuckle. “I usually wait til they rez to ask. “
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: It depends on if one is using the tools that the natural laws of the grid have provided to us.
Diogenes Kuhr: you know Maddox, I’ve been working on a guide for greenhorns on how to function in an immersion sim
Diogenes Kuhr: and that is one of sections I am including
Eressea Karsin: One thing I like to see in RP sims is mandatory titlers. Heck, I had to turn on the system titlers when I TP’d in here so I could figure out who was talking.
Diogenes Kuhr: always introduce yourself
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Good. Please do. Sometimes it just hard when someone new to RP has no clue what they’re doing.
Darlingmonster Ember makes a note
Doctor Obolensky: ((I could not function without chat balloons turned on.))
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((lol… Chat balloons?))
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: The Steamlands often use a simple ‘M.’ as a polite address until the correct title can be established.
Kghia Gherardi looks forward to reading the guide!
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: That sounds fair.
Darlingmonster Ember: ((a feature of the viewer))
Doctor Obolensky: I use “Peasant”, myself.
Viv Trafalgar: !
Rhianon JamesonRhianon Jameson sticks a tongue out at Doctor Obolensky
Darlingmonster Ember: yes, I much prefer the ‘M’ honorific
Doctor Obolensky: ((Yeah, everyone’s chat appears above their head, so I can match AV to what’s being said))
Clockwork Hellershanks: I very much like M too.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident chuckles. “I wait until I see them clearly, then I intrduce myself.”
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: *introduce
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((lmao.. Oooh. That would drive me batty. XD))
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Not possible in a group chat, however – when they work.
Diogenes Kuhr: hey folks, thank you for the tips…you’ve been very kind and I do appreciate it
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: You are most welcome.
Clockwork Hellershanks: Yes I am mostly mistaken in group chat. I stay pleasant about it.
Diogenes Kuhr: I hope y’all had as much fun as I did
Doctor Obolensky: Indeed. A good subject, and well-covered.
Jasper Kiergarten: thank you Dio, that was great
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: It has been wonderful. So many notes to read!
Rhianon Jameson: I enjoyed it a great deal.
Jasper Kiergarten: most enjoyable
Darlingmonster Ember: wonderful event
Viv Trafalgar: So fantastic to see old friends here, and new faces as well!
Serafina Puchkina: Thank you, Dio. This was interesting and amusing
Viv Trafalgar: Again, I’d like to say thank you to everyone for coming
Kghia Gherardi: very enjoyable. 🙂
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: It was a most pleasant way to spend an afternoon.
Viv Trafalgar: and invite you to return next month when Dame Kghia Gerardi and JJ Drinkwater join us to discuss Libraries
Serenek Timeless: It will be even more fun to read about what Dio thought of this experience. when she writes about it in her blog.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Libraries?
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Next month should be most intriguing.
Viv Trafalgar: (oh yes, it most certainly will Serenek)
Bookworm Hienrichs surreptitiously wipes away drool.
Darlingmonster Ember: good day all
Viv Trafalgar nods at Book, “Yes m’am”
Rhianon Jameson: I bid a good evening to everyone. Thank you again, Miss Dio.
Darlingmonster Ember: I must toddle off
Darlingmonster Ember: waves
Diogenes Kuhr: oh hell’s britches Sere…I guess I oughtta do that shouldn’t I?
KlausWulfenbach Outlander makes a note to ask Darien about the drooling problem in New Babbage
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: ((I will definitely try, if not, I’ll find the manuscript.))
Diogenes Kuhr: thank you for coming Darling
Serenek Timeless: Thank you all. A most convivial afternoon.
Kghia Gherardi looks around as if she doesn’t have a clue about next month
Viv Trafalgar: aw
Serafina Puchkina: Thank you all, honored Salonistas, for coming today
Viv Trafalgar: I could spell your last name better Dame Kghia
Kghia Gherardi: I think you only need my first name in SL 🙂
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Heh.
Clockwork Hellershanks: Good day and a pleasant evening everyone.
Viv Trafalgar: Good evening !
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Miss Dio, you are welcome to visit me at Huxley Hall at my office to chat.
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gute Nacht, Fraulein Hellershanks.
MaddoxSinclaire Resident: Any of you are most welcome.

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