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Haberdashery! with Edward Pearse (Unedited)

Rhianon Jameson: That’s one magic arm you have, Your Grace!
Edward Pearse: Who put builds on 45 degree angles
Serafina Puchkina: Mr. Holmes! Welcome!
Edward Pearse: Really
Bookworm Hienrichs gets a cam shot and goggles at how wide her skirts are.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: (( it was the advance car with the flags that gave it away Book…))
Ceejay Writer: 45 degree angle? I wish my cafe was THAT aligned.
Jasper Kiergarten: greetings Tinus
Serafina Puchkina: Welcome Mr. Koskinen!
Elilka Sieyes: ((sporfle :D))
Edward Pearse: Well you will burn things down
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
Tinus Koskinen: hello evering, hello Miss Sera.
Jasper Kiergarten: if anyone wants a chair, please let me know
Ceejay Writer: Tinus!
Stargirl Macbain: Tinus!
Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Mr. Koskinen.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: TEENUSS!
Tinus Koskinen: Hello again everyone sorry if I interrupted.
Serafina Puchkina: Hello Miss Jaggernov!
Elilka Sieyes: Good evening, Mister Koskinen 🙂
Ceejay Writer: And PJ finally rezzes. Clothing THAT stunning takes its time!
Jasper Kiergarten: no interuption sir
Jasper Kiergarten: find a seat, we’re about to start
Scarlet Jaggernov: Good evening!!
Serafina Puchkina: Food and drink back here by me. reaches back to the table to grab another cookie
Viv Trafalgar: We’ll begin in 1 minute
Ceejay Writer: Mmmm BIG cookies.
Serafina Puchkina: chocolate chip!
Serafina Puchkina: chairs are free and you wear them
Jasper Kiergarten: c’mon in folks
Jasper Kiergarten: I have the chairs, if you require one
Ceejay Writer: My chair was insisting on wearing me
Jasper Kiergarten: 🙂
Serafina Puchkina: Hello Mr Frakture
Tinus Koskinen: wow, not sure what happened but I was launched into the air.
Phineas Frakture: Miss Puchkina
Jasper Kiergarten: that was impressive sir
Ceejay Writer: Tinus… it’s Babbage. Question not these things.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Good day, Mr. Frakture.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina and I are pleased to welcome you to the February Aether Salon – Haberdashery! An exploration of Victorian men’s fashion and how the styles developed during the era. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today
Tinus Koskinen: Please Mr. Kiergarten, a chair before I fly off again.
Edward Pearse: It’s the special anti-heckling device that’s been installed
Phineas Frakture: Miss Hienrichs 😉
Tinus Koskinen chuckles…must be it.
Viv Trafalgar claps
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. This is our 15th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. Please no weapons, bombs, rogue scripts, or contagious bioweapons. Your cooperation is appreciated.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on aethersalon.blogspot.com so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon: We are grateful to Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the wonderful salon chairs, our speaker Edward Pearse for our craft contribution, Miss Ceejay Writer, Mr. Rafael Fabre, Miss Redgirl Llewellen, Miss Breezy Carver, Miss Ahnyanka Delphin for the stage and the citizens of New Babbage who make this event possible.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Mark your calendars for next month’s salon, Music Boxes! with Canolli Capalini, or as Viv has said “MINEMINEMINE!!!”. Upcoming Salons will include Ironclads with Commodore Hotspur O’Toole, Photography with Mr PJ Trenton, and Airwaves with Miss Gabrielle Riel. As a reminder, all speakers’ fund jar donations go directly to the speakers.
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
Ceejay Writer applauds those future salons!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to Miss Viv for the introduction of today’s speaker. Viv?
Viv Trafalgar smiles
Viv Trafalgar: Thank you Miss Jed – welcome everyone!
Viv Trafalgar: We are so pleased to welcome Mr. Edward Pearse
Edward Pearse waves
Viv Trafalgar: He opened his first Menswear shop in Caledon Victoria City in December 2006 and one in New Babbage in January of 2007.
Viv Trafalgar: Others in various Steamlands have followed.
Viv Trafalgar: With his typist an accomplished amateur costumier, Edward was able to draw on personal research and his own wardrobe
Viv Trafalgar: to find the references for making menswear in SL.
Viv Trafalgar: When he started out there was a distinct lack of Victorian Menswear. Since the ladies had been well catered for he decided to focus exclusively on men’s garments.
Viv Trafalgar: Though pressure from female customers has lead to creations of ladies uniforms and the tartan skirts.
Viv Trafalgar: In addition, we find him perfectly charming and very fun
Edward Pearse grins
Viv Trafalgar: please give your attention and appreciation to Mr. Edward Pearse
Elilka Sieyes applauds warmly.
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
Rhianon Jameson applauds
Serafina Puchkina applauds
Rowan Derryth applauds
Stargirl Macbain wolf whistles!
Zachary Somerset applauds
Jedburgh30 Dagger: applauds
Edward Pearse: Good morning all
Edward Pearse: Well it’s morning here
Tinus Koskinen APPLAUDS!!!
Viv Trafalgar: thank you for coming in so early
Edward Pearse: The Victorian Era lasted over 70 years and many of the influences of the latter part followed over into the 20th century up until the start of the Great War.
Edward Pearse: In that time a great deal of society changed
Bookworm Hienrichs whispers, “Hoy, Jimmy.”
Edward Pearse: but one of the benefits of this change is that a great deal was recorded about how things should be done
Edward Pearse: and a great many traditions and practices were written down and their changes noted.
Jimmy Branagh whispers back Hoy Miss Book!
Edward Pearse: “Fashion” itself usually started in Paris and spread to the rest of the world.
Edward Pearse: It is worth remembering that the way clothing was made underwent huge change during this time as well.
Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Cyan!
Edward Pearse: Typically clothing in the Regency Period or the Napoleonic Period (think Jane Austen or the Richard Sharpe telemovies) was all hand made from start to finish.
Edward Pearse: Sewing machines had only started to be attempted in various forms.
Viv Trafalgar smiles at the quieting urchins and nods at Edward – quite right! I hadn’t thought of that
Edward Pearse: Yet even towards the end of the 19th century “off the rack” clothes were still a rarity and most clothing was made to order and fit.
Edward Pearse: Personally my typist has always favoured the later Victorian dress.
Elilka Sieyes: 🙂
Edward Pearse: Napoleonic fashions were not made for one whose build is decidedly not that of the svelt athlete.
Edward Pearse: There are even stories of the French Imperial Guard using pigfat on their legs so as to squeeze into the ultra tight trousers of their uniforms.
Ceejay Writer makes a face.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Ewww.
Jimmy Branagh whispers Eeeewwwww…
Rhianon Jameson: Must have smelled good
Edward Pearse: I’m not sure how they managed their reputation with the ladies
Jedburgh30 Dagger: laughs
Zachary Somerset chuckles
Elina Koskinen thinks of men’s corsets
Viv Trafalgar: ((oh that’s so very duran duran))
Edward Pearse: Thankfully gentlemen’s clothing had eased somewhat towards the late 19th century.
Edward Pearse: While considerably restrictive by modern standards the clothing was more tailored than tight fitting.
Rowan Derryth: Lol Viv!
Edward Pearse: By and large a man’s wardrobe consisted of trousers, shirt, waistcoat and topcoat.
Edward Pearse: And next time you hear the ladies bemoaining their corsetted state
Elina Koskinen: Ahh
Edward Pearse: Corsets were not exclusively a female domain
Jimmy Branagh: Oy ain’t never wearin’ one of those things
Rhianon Jameson chuckles
Viv Trafalgar: eyebrow
Victor1st Mornington: O.O
Sredni Eel: hello
Tinus Koskinen: I am not wearing on of those.
Edward Pearse: The colours for men’s clothes by this stage were usually dark.
Edward Pearse: Black was worn by businessmen and the upper classes and dark browns, greens or blues by the poorer people.
Breezy Carver: smiles at Mr Yo YO always well dressed
Gabriell Anatra: Oh, sorry.
Edward Pearse: Black dye was notoriously difficult
Edward Pearse: ((And I know this even with modern dies it’s damned hard to get done right))
Edward Pearse: While dark colours were not uncommon before the 1860s, bottle green, russet and plum were seen in gentlemen’s coats.
Ceejay Writer: Pretty.
Edward Pearse: With Queen Victoria’s move into full mourning dress after Prince Albert’s death, her court and then the Ministers of Parliament adopted more sombre colours.
Edward Pearse: This had a trickledown effect to the rest of the country and even to the East Coast of the US.
Edward Pearse: Colour still turned up in men’s jackets but was mostly left to the Music Hall, Vaudeville and travelling showmen.
Edward Pearse: Gus mentioned recently on the Ning that the description of the clothes in “Puttin’ on the Ritz” hadn’t changed that much from what was worn in the 19th century.
Edward Pearse: This is quite true.
Edward Pearse: Menswear changes slowly but it does change.
Edward Pearse: Usually a case of the formality moving up.
Edward Pearse: In the late 19th century formal Courtwear would have been knee breeches and hose with coatee style jackets for men.
Edward Pearse: The “second most” formal was white tie with tails.
Edward Pearse: Then came the Lounge Suit (or the sack suit as it became called in the US).
Edward Pearse: The tuxedo was a derivation of a lounge suit taken back to New York.
Edward Pearse: But the shawl collar of the formal dinner jacket has given way to the peaked lapel of the modern suit.
Edward Pearse: For a long time to 20th century men, the shawl collar was the difference between a tuxedo and a dinner jacket
Edward Pearse: Proper dress was considered the mark of a gentleman.
YoYo Underby nods
Edward Pearse: He would not be seen in mixed company in only his shirt sleeves and waistcoat, but would always put on a jacket.
Edward Pearse: It’s also worth noting that in H.G.Wells’ The Time Machine,
Edward Pearse: when the time traveller returns from his harrowing ordeal in the future he does not slump into the dining room ragged and gasping as in the George Pal movie,
Elilka Sieyes: (Hah :D)
Victor1st Mornington coughs
Edward Pearse: he changes for dinner first before coming downstairs to be with his guests.
Rhianon Jameson: Indeed.
Ceejay Writer: Oh, that’s true!
Zachary Somerset grins
Tinus Koskinen smiles
Ghilayne Andrew grins and nods
Jedburgh30 Dagger: waistcoat only was like being seen in a plain white undershirt now
Jimmy Branagh: Well, ‘ee ‘ad all th’ toime in th’ world.
Ceejay Writer grins at Jimmy.
Serafina Puchkina chuckles
Jimmy Branagh grins
Edward Pearse: This is the typical mail silhouette for morning dress
Edward Pearse: Not to be confused with mourning dress
Edward Pearse: *male
Edward Pearse: Bah for typos
Viv Trafalgar wonders if men wore crepe that fell apart for mourning dress as well
Sredni Eel: I wore crepe, but it fell apart before I could eat it.
Edward Pearse: The cutaway coat or swallow tail was a less formal dress than a frock coat
Edward Pearse: And supposedly derives from the habit of gentlemen going for a morning horse ride in Hyde Park
Breezy Carver nods .. with gloves Sir ?
Edward Pearse: Yes. Note the hand with the cane
Breezy Carver looks
Edward Pearse waits a moment before changing slides
Breezy Carver smiles and nods ..
Edward Pearse: The sack suit, which I believe was a disparaging name originally
Edward Pearse: Was less tailored and easier to make
Sandi Levee: *thinks it looks comfy*
Edward Pearse: Note that the top button is done up rather than the middle ones
Sredni Eel: looks lived in
Edward Pearse: This still allowed you to show off your waistcoat and chain
Rowan Derryth ponders the multi-course Victorian meals
Viv Trafalgar: aha!
Edward Pearse: Shoes are something else worth noting too
Edward Pearse: Most menswear were ankle high boots
Edward Pearse: Oh, minor tangent
Edward Pearse: Mr. Davi, hunt down a documentary called “Edwardian Supersize Me”
Edward Pearse: The chap lives for just a week on an Edwardian diet
Rowan Derryth: Yes, that is a wonderful documentary
Ceejay Writer: Interesting. notes title
Gabriell Anatra: It sounds interesting.
Sandi Levee: feels hungry
Elina Koskinen remembers a documentary where the whole family lived in an edwardian mansion, servants and all
Sredni Eel: sounds like a diet worthy of Miss Julia Childs.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: ((lived for a week on a Georgian diet once))
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Ritterin Ordinal!
Rowan Derryth: 1900 House
Edward Pearse: Because streets were in many cases unpaved, or those that were were covered in the exhaust fumes of horses
Jimmy Branagh waves to Miss Ordinal
Victor1st Mornington: exhaust fumes chuckles
Annechen Lowey: Interesting turn of phrase.
Elilka Sieyes: 🙂
Zachary Somerset chuckles
KlausWulfenbach Outlander smiles broadly
Edward Pearse: Getting your boots dirty was a common problem
Edward Pearse: “Spats” were an accessory to prevent mud spats from marring the finish of your boots
Jimmy Branagh: Oy wondered wot they wos faw.
Edward Pearse: And like all menswear were slow in disappearing after their use had been outlived
Edward Pearse: Eventually boots with a suede upper were being made
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Gaiters
Edward Pearse: To give the appearance of spats without wearing them
Edward Pearse: Gaiters in general came up to the knee
Jedburgh30 Dagger: right, but the same concept as spatterdashes
Edward Pearse: But it can often be like the difference between suspenders, garters and braces
Edward Pearse: Or pants and trousers
Annechen Lowey: Aha.
Rhianon Jameson looks confused.
Jedburgh30 Dagger: grins
Edward Pearse grins
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Rather important, those differences, in polite company.
Edward Pearse: braces and suspenders and cross Atlantic words for the same thing
Rowan Derryth: Bit difference between pants and Trousers in Britain… learned that the hard way.
Annechen Lowey: People separated by a common language, again.
Beq Janus grins
Edward Pearse: However suspenders and garters are cross Atlantic words for something different
Sredni Eel: och, just go regimental and wear a kilt.
Rowan Derryth: Aye
Sredni Eel: no need for pants, trousers, troos, or anything
Edward Pearse: Just a blue silk ribbon?
Beq Janus: admittedly we are semantically wrong in the UK on this one
Sredni Eel: absolutely
Rowan Derryth: A white cockade
Edward Pearse: One little thing I want to touch on is waistcoats
Edward Pearse: Now admittedly this picture is from 1935
Edward Pearse: But it shows my point
Sandi Levee: day is dandies
Edward Pearse points to the waistcoat
Edward Pearse: Note there is no wide gap between the top of the trouser and the bottom of the waistcoat
Viv Trafalgar: nods and looks
Bluemills Bernandes: sorry.
Elilka Sieyes: (the eternal curse of SL trousers)
Edward Pearse: Trousers were higher waisted back then and the modern problem of old length waistcoats with modern “hipster” trousers has been imported into SL
Edward Pearse: Also with the formal wear
Edward Pearse: Note the waistcoat does not come below the edge of the jacket
Edward Pearse: Another common problem of the modern age brought into historical settings
Edward Pearse: Lastly
Edward Pearse: Face fuzz
Elilka Sieyes cheers 😉
Edward Pearse: Or chin furniture
Jimmy Branagh: Yay!
Elina Koskinen strokes unexisting beard
Ceejay Writer laughs
Jimmy Branagh: Oy want a ‘stache …
Edward Pearse: This gentleman for those who may not recognize him is WS Gilbert
Elilka Sieyes: In time, Jimmy. 🙂
Edward Pearse: Of Gilbert & Sullivan fame
Jimmy Branagh: Awww, shucks …
Sredni Eel: that’s quite a food strainer he’s got there.
Edward Pearse: Young men commonly went clean shaven
Edward Pearse: And it really wasn’t until WW1 that clean shaven became the norm
Edward Pearse: And even then the officers still had a ‘tache
Rhianon Jameson laughs
Edward Pearse: Also shaving with a cut throat razor while they’re shelling is not fun
Edward Pearse: This is Arthur Sullivan
Gabriell Anatra: I recall reading about that. They needed to be sure the gas masks fit right.
Edward Pearse: Also sporting an nice set of whiskers
Sandi Levee: shivers
Edward Pearse: Oh
Edward Pearse: And as a note
Edward Pearse: If any of you have seen pictures of soldiers in the 1860s and 1870s
Edward Pearse: (which I should have prepared)
Edward Pearse: The huge beard many of the sport became a fashion after the Crimean campaign in Russia
Edward Pearse: Months of no access to razors gave rise to large beards
Edward Pearse: It became something of a mark of distinction
Annechen Lowey: The Beards Race must have been fierce.
Sandi Levee: did they braid them?
Sredni Eel: did they win by a hair?
Rhianon Jameson: That’s why, in the 20th century, it merely became an arms race.
Bluemills Bernandes: They took mutton chops seriously back then.
Edward Pearse: Most of men’s fashion have slowly passed away
Edward Pearse: But things like sleeve buttons on jackets
Edward Pearse: Or buttonholes on lapels
Annechen Lowey: Vetigal fashion marks.
PJ Trenton: And I thought Haberdashery wouldn’t be exciting 😉
Victor1st Mornington: Aah!
Viv Trafalgar: your server will be with you in a moment))
Elina Koskinen: I was just on the edge
Annechen Lowey: Despite our best efforts, people are able to log on.
Rowan Derryth sighs with relief
Jedburgh30 Dagger: after all we’ve done here, we were done in by waistcoats and spats
Viv Trafalgar: heheh
PJ Trenton wonders how many Salon chairs are now trapped in the abyss
Victor1st Mornington chuckles
Sredni Eel: I’m glad I didn’t take a chair
Breezy Carver: grins
Elina Koskinen: Watson is down there too!
Elina Koskinen: Ah!
Elina Koskinen: Thank goodness
Breezy Carver: did the sim crash ?
AlexVixgeck Quan: For the God’s sake! what happens?
Rowan Derryth: The Haberdashery Salon is coming apart at the seams!
Minako Masala: I’m so glad I have two GBs of RAM
Viv Trafalgar: both sims crashed
Viv Trafalgar: they’re coming back up now
Viv Trafalgar: welcome back everyone
Minako Masala: not to my knowledge, Miss Carver, given nothing happened to me.
Elina Koskinen: no, Academy staid here, I think
Sredni Eel: the couch is back
Bookworm Hienrichs: Both? Interesting. I didn’t notice any interruption on my part.
Elina Koskinen: me neither
Gabriell Anatra: Nor I.
Rowan Derryth: No, we are ok on this side
Annechen Lowey: Odd.
Rowan Derryth crosses her fingers
Gabriell Anatra nods
Elilka Sieyes: Yes, relogged to find those in Academy staring into the abyss where my chair had been ;p
Viv Trafalgar: That was bad. ok we’re back everyone
Sredni Eel: yeah, usually you get logged off or something
Verlia Bilavio apologizes for landing in Tinus’s lap..
Sredni Eel: and my scanner is going nuts now
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
Elina Koskinen tries to nudge W’s chair on this side
Viv Trafalgar: please take your seats or someone else’s seat
Sandi Levee: misses her mouth and sticks cake in her ear
Valice Davi: was ironically listening to Dies Irae
Zachary Somerset chuckles at Davi’s comment
Breezy Carver: well i think its a very exciting Salon thus far !!
Breezy Carver: claps
Jimmy Branagh applauds.
Breezy Carver: Claps Very Loudly!!
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hi Edward!
Jimmy Branagh: Yes very interestin’
Sandi Levee: Applause!!
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Welcome back, Sir Edward.
Edward Pearse: That was fun
Viv Trafalgar: we’ll take a moment to let everyone get settled, find their hair…
Breezy Carver: wb wb wb ☆smiles ☆
AlexVixgeck Quan: Welcome back, Sir!
Edward Pearse: I thought I was redmapping
Elilka Sieyes: All of that discussion of lapels was too much for the sim.
Rhianon Jameson chuckles
Ceejay Writer: No, it was Edwards sideburns, I swear!
Victor1st Mornington chuckles
Valice Davi: Too much epic in one place perhaps.
Viv Trafalgar: hehe
Christine McAllister grins
Sredni Eel: let’s face it: beards are too much for the lindens to handle
Jimmy Branagh: Mybee it wos the Unfriendly Mutton Chops.
PJ Trenton wonders what was in the cake
Rowan Derryth: It all unravelled after that
PJ Trenton: lol
Edward Pearse: That would be these whiskers 🙂
Sredni Eel: it was a close shave for most of us
Breezy Carver: hummmm
Ceejay Writer giggles madly.
Viv Trafalgar coughs
Gabriell Anatra: Hairy business. Indeed.
Viv Trafalgar smiles brightly
Edward Pearse: Anyway
Viv Trafalgar: Welcome back one and all to the aether salon
PJ Trenton: Haberdashery…coming apart at the sims 😉
Viv Trafalgar: haberdashery with Edward Pearse!
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
Breezy Carver gives viv some cough drops laces with grins ….
Edward Pearse: As I was about to finish up
Minako Masala: are you alright Miss Rhianon?
Rowan Derryth: You’ll have us in stitches
Viv Trafalgar: I’ll turn the stage back over to Edward now
Ceejay Writer applauds Salons That Are By Need Intrepid.
Rowan Derryth thinks PJ is a joke stealer
Sandi Levee: don’d needle the speaker
Edward Pearse: Things like buttons on sleeves and buttonholes on lapels are still added to mens clothing
Edward Pearse: Long after their original function has vanished in the past
Edward Pearse: It’s been close to 200 years since men’s jackets had buttonable sleeves
Edward Pearse: But they’re still added to modern suits
Viv Trafalgar: oh I’ve wondered about that but never thought to ask!
Rhianon Jameson: Because they look dashing!
Valice Davi: same here.
Edward Pearse: So
Edward Pearse: Miss Viv, how do you want to run questions?
Sandi Levee: Best dressed first!
Edward Pearse: So no questions then 🙂
Viv Trafalgar: hehe
Jimmy Branagh: LOL
Viv Trafalgar: well usually we ask people to say they have questions in open chat
Jimmy Branagh will be last
Rowan Derryth politely raises her hand
Viv Trafalgar: and then sera will call on each in turn
Viv Trafalgar: and add to the list
Edward Pearse: OK
Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edward, the trend during Georgian times was to be clean shaven. When did facial hair come in style?
Edward Pearse: who has questions? I can’t guarentee I’ll know the answer
Viv Trafalgar: Rowan, then Jed
Edward Pearse: But I can make stuff up
Jedburgh30 Dagger: oops
Viv Trafalgar: hehe
Jimmy Branagh: hehe
Rowan Derryth: Go ahead Jed…
Viv Trafalgar: Ok Jed then Rowan
Viv Trafalgar: someone go 🙂
Rowan Derryth: I think Jed asked already
Viv Trafalgar takes a swig of medicinals from somewhere
Rowan Derryth points up
Edward Pearse: I think the facial hair fashion was an outgrowing of the Crimean War beards
Edward Pearse: Obviously not everyone was at Sebastapol
Viv Trafalgar: nods
Edward Pearse: But when beards became fashionable the trend changed over the passing years
Edward Pearse: Men got experimental with their facial hair
Victor1st Mornington: O.O
Edward Pearse: I don’t know if any of you have seen teacups with a piece added onto the inside?
Viv Trafalgar: handlebars the size of bowler hats?
Sandi Levee: nodnods
Viv Trafalgar: teacups? please do continue
Rowan Derryth: I’m interested in the point about men’s fashion not changing too much in the Victorian era, but also particularly how some more Bohemian persons dressed…. it seems to me that where female dress could depart rather drastically from normative dress, men seemed to express themselves in their accessories more… hats, coats, etc… can you speak to that a bit more?
Edward Pearse: The addition was there mainly so as not to get tea on the gentleman’s mustache
Annechen Lowey: The mustache shields?
Edward Pearse: Exactly
Edward Pearse: Moustache wax was commonly beeswax at the time
Edward Pearse: Hot tea on it did not help its style
Rowan Derryth: Sorry if I asked out of turn
Edward Pearse scrolls back to reread the question
Viv Trafalgar: it’s a great question
Edward Pearse: I can’t speak hugely on the Bohemians
Edward Pearse: But there were several attempts at dress reform
Edward Pearse: Usually aimed more at the ladies
Rowan Derryth: I’m thinking of artists like Leighton, Watts, Hunt, wearing smoking caps… the Aesthetes at the Grosvenor… Wilde and Whistler of course
Edward Pearse: But menswear came under fire for its conservatism
Viv Trafalgar nods and grins
Rowan Derryth: I wonder how far their activities departed from typical male dress
Edward Pearse: Artistes are their own breed really
Edward Pearse: Though having something unusual made for you was not as hard back then as it is now
Viv Trafalgar: well self expression seems to be always restricted – in mens clothing
Viv Trafalgar: a tie pin and some cufflinks can only say so much
Rowan Derryth: Yes, it seemed more subtle…
Edward Pearse: Wilde was known to wear colour quite often
Rowan Derryth: Well, except for those writing about it…
Rowan Derryth: Baudelaire, the idea of the Flaneur
Viv Trafalgar: true
Rowan Derryth: Yes, and breeches, etc.
Edward Pearse: As for gents accessories they were usually were they got to individualise themselves
Rowan Derryth nods thoughtfully
Edward Pearse: Between styles of walking cane
Edward Pearse: Styles of waistcoat
Viv Trafalgar: oh – I have a question about walking canes
Edward Pearse: Even the assortment of fobs you had on the end of your watch chain
Elina Koskinen has to leave now. Thank you for the interesting Salon 🙂 Goodnight!
Elilka Sieyes smiles 😉
Viv Trafalgar: but i’ll wait – are there other questions?
Rowan Derryth: What did various fabrics/textiles signifiy… velvet for example?
Edward Pearse: Ta ta
Edward Pearse: Personal preference and wealth
Edward Pearse: A lot of fabrics were expensive
Edward Pearse: Or prone to fast wearing
Edward Pearse: Velvet being one that wore quickly
Edward Pearse: Velvet collars did not last as long as a crossgrain or a satin lapel
Viv Trafalgar: what about the significance of different walking canes?
Rowan Derryth nods
Edward Pearse: And both of those were shorter than a broadcloth lapel
Viv Trafalgar: ((any other questions IM me -we’ll take two more max)
Edward Pearse: There’s a lot been written about colours and fabrics and deeper meaning
Rowan Derryth: Thank you Edward
Edward Pearse: I think a lot of it has been invented later on
Edward Pearse: Sort of like “Clan tartan” 🙂
Viv Trafalgar: oh really?
Edward Pearse: What was the next question?
Viv Trafalgar: walking canes – different meanings?
Viv Trafalgar: i have no more after that
Edward Pearse: There were different styles of walking cane but I’m not aware of any specific meanings to them
Viv Trafalgar: ok 🙂
Viv Trafalgar: i thought it might be like flowers
Edward Pearse: Of course it’s very possible it’s something I’ve not read about
Edward Pearse: Ah
Viv Trafalgar: if there are no further questions
Edward Pearse: See again, I think a lot of the flower stuff is more modern
Viv Trafalgar: Edward would you put out the craft box?
Rowan Derryth: I think many had them individualized though Viv
Viv Trafalgar: that makes sense
Rowan Derryth: Whistler had one with a butterfly on it.
Ceejay Writer: Oooh, crafts!
Edward Pearse: Or at least there’s a lot of meaning added to it where most people just want to give “flowers”
Viv Trafalgar: you mean hand-carved?
Jimmy Branagh: (ominous silence)
PJ Trenton: shhhh
Viv Trafalgar: ((wondering
Rowan Derryth: Mmm
Bookworm Hienrichs holds her breath…
Beq Janus listens for the soft mewling of kittens?
Jedburgh30 Dagger crosses fingers
Viv Trafalgar: hehehe
Bookworm Hienrichs laughs at Beq.
Zachary Somerset grins
Valice Davi: is searching for a good questing
Ceejay Writer starts to get nervous.
Stargirl Macbain fidgets
Jimmy Branagh makes a secret sign
Viv Trafalgar: take your time – i’d thought the sim went down again
Jedburgh30 Dagger is nervous
Edward Pearse: We switched to bunnies 🙂
Jasper Kiergarten: crashed and is quite confused
Jimmy Branagh: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Babbage Engineer wishes he could talk
Viv Trafalgar: !!!
Beq Janus: glad to hear my suggestion was accceptable 🙂
Viv Trafalgar: you can Mr. Engineer, if you like
Stargirl Macbain thinks Henry should carry around a pencil and paper to solve that problem.
Sandi Levee: wonders if she can rummage through it like the cloak room
Rhianon Jameson applauds the talk.
Viv Trafalgar: thank you so much for the craft Edward
Jasper Kiergarten: and there, on a handle….was a HOOK
Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
Jimmy Branagh: We should all learn soine language
Viv Trafalgar: i’d like to let everyone know – there will be a transcript
Tinus Koskinen APPLAUDS!!!
Jimmy Branagh applauds.
Viv Trafalgar: so that if you missed something we’ll have it up this was a wonderful salon –
Scarlet Jaggernov applauds
Viv Trafalgar: truly great presentation
Jasper Kiergarten: indeed
Jimmy Branagh: Thet was very interstin!
Rowan Derryth: Thank you, fascinating talk!
Zachary Somerset applauds
Stargirl Macbain: Marvelous!
Rhianon Jameson: Indeed!
AlexVixgeck Quan: That’s nice! And truly inspired
Elilka Sieyes claps.
Jimmy Branagh applauds.
AlexVixgeck Quan: applauds
Edward Pearse: Glad you enjoyed it
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Persistence in the face of adversity.
Viv Trafalgar: next month will be Canolli Capalini’s music boxes
Ceejay Writer: Very enlightening and enjoyable, Edward!
Christine McAllister applauds
Valice Davi: Yes, it was very interesting : )
KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
Viv Trafalgar: so please don’t come because i want them ALL
Serafina Puchkina applauds
Bela Lubezki: thank you mister pearse
Sandi Levee: Prezzie! Thank you!
Bookworm Hienrichs grins at Viv.
Viv Trafalgar: ((actually please do come she deserves it))
Serafina Puchkina: Very good sir
Ceejay Writer: Viv, nice try.
Jimmy Branagh: hehe
Viv Trafalgar: and
Beq Janus applauds Mr Pearse
Viv Trafalgar: haha
Edward Pearse: Fashion is one of those things you could spend months on and still not cover it all
Jimmy Branagh: ((They’re great.!))
Moses Mureaux: I was quite late, but the portion I did hear was extremely interesting Mr. Pearse.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Indeed!
Tinus Koskinen: always informative, another fantastic salon.
AlexVixgeck Quan: Indeed
Beq Janus: thank you Edward for giving up your Monday morning too
Viv Trafalgar: and thank you so much Mr. Pearse for putting up with my pestering
Sandi Levee: pokes Jimmy behind the knee with her new can
Jimmy Branagh: Ehhh!
Viv Trafalgar: you are wonderful and we’re so lucky to have you in babbage
Jimmy Branagh: Wotch it!
Viv Trafalgar: I’m pleased to give the contents of the speakers fund
Viv Trafalgar: which is
Jimmy Branagh: 8D
Sandi Levee: Thank you for the wonderful lecture!
Viv Trafalgar: wow!
Beq Janus: which is sizeable 🙂
Jimmy Branagh: hehe
Serafina Puchkina: thank you, your Grace! This was wonderful
Viv Trafalgar: $6912 to Edward to thank him
Serafina Puchkina: Wow
Jimmy Branagh: Whoa!
Bookworm Hienrichs: Thank you very much, your Grace!
Viv Trafalgar: that’s an incredible show of support from the community TO the community and we are glad to pass it on
Edward Pearse: I figured something with squids or tentacles would be appropriate for the Babbage gentleman 🙂
Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
Annechen Lowey chuckles.
Jasper Kiergarten: hehee
Stargirl Macbain: Ceeejay…..
Ceejay Writer: Staaaar.
Elilka Sieyes: Good night, and thank you for encouraging the appreciation of facial hair in New Babbage ;D
Stargirl Macbain: My house is right across the street, come have coffee! Viv Trafalgar: oh and this is a wonderful walking stick!
Sandi Levee: Is it a signal to the Kraken so he won’t eat you up?
Edward Pearse: And thank you all for your patience 🙂
Ceejay Writer: I will for a bit, thank you!
Stargirl Macbain: no excuse now Ceejay…mwahah 😛
Serafina Puchkina: thank you, everyone, for coming today. Our next salon is Music Boxes! on March 21. Miss Capalini is the speaker
Beq Janus: Don’t forget that the Salon itself deserves your support people, the sign outside allows you to show your appreciation for the venue
Bookworm Hienrichs yawns, and belatedly hides it behind a hand.
Elilka Sieyes: (or good morning, possibly)
Ceejay Writer grins.
Jimmy Branagh: ((Jim’s typist needs to find dinner. Byre all!))
Gabriell Anatra: Wiggyfish-hide boots. Like alligator except more durable. 🙂
Stargirl Macbain: ((bye jimmy !))
Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Bye, Jimmy!))
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gute Nacht, those leaving.
Sandi Levee: Bye Jimmy!
Jasper Kiergarten: bye Jim
Jimmy Branagh waves
Valice Davi: Bye Jimmy.
Ceejay Writer: ((I will be back and forth getting dinner going but I am going to see STARS HOUSE yay!))
Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Yay indeed!))
Zachary Somerset frowns and looks at his student, whispering “Did you get enough sleep last night like I suggested?”
Sandi Levee: wots dat?
Edward Pearse: Sleep? I’ve heard of it 🙂
Stargirl Macbain shakes the lag outta her fingers.
Bookworm Hienrichs says softly to Mr. Somerset, “I did–I am actually feeling better than I did yesterday.”
Tinus Koskinen: thank you Edward…good to see you all
Edward Pearse: Last call for the boxes
Annechen Lowey: If you will pardon me, I have some pub business to attend, sir?
Elilka Sieyes nips off to grab five hours before joining a certain someone for Finland v Sweden 😉
Stargirl Macbain: Well done Edward!
Serafina Puchkina: thank you all
Ceejay Writer: G’night everyone! A wonderful gathering.
Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Frau Lowey.
Beq Janus: boxes?
Stargirl Macbain grins. Tootles!
Jasper Kiergarten: night Ceejay
Zachary Somerset smiles. “Good to hear, Book.”
Bookworm Hienrichs waves also to Ceejay.
Beq Janus: plural?
Serafina Puchkina: I will post transcripts this week
Edward Pearse: Singular
Beq Janus: good
Beq Janus: hehe
KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Good plan, Frau Lowey.
Bookworm Hienrichs: Good day, Baron.
Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.

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